PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Cityfan1977 said:
I have never fully understand point nr 1
lets just simplify it .
Lets just say the contract between Etihad and City is 40 million pounds per year. Are Pl and UEFA before them saying that we are putting more then 40 million into the club or are Etihad just paying part of the 40 million.
I just know that CAS said not guilty.
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UEFA claimed Mansour gave money to Etisalat and Etihad so they didn't have to carry the cost of all the sponsorship themselves. CAS found there was no evidence that that happened.

As far as we know, the PL are alleging the same. They may have more evidence after a four year investigation, but most people think that is very, very unlikely.
 
domalino said:
In retrospect that’s a very odd list of clubs.

City
Villa
Southampton
Swansea
Fulham
West Brom

And Reading abstained.
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Not entirely.
Villa under Randy Lerner had ambitions to break into the upper reaches of the PL.
Southampton had been producing some excellent young players and investing in other good prospects such as Van Dijk and looked a decent team when Pochettino was in charge so they too would have had ambitions to push on.
Fulham had reached the Europa League final in 2010. Swansea were pushing into the top half and would win the League Cup in 2013.
All their owners could probably see what was going on with FFP and realised it threatened their own interests.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think it’s a bit unfair to ascribe the protectionist motives of Bill Kenwright to Everton supporters, who won’t have been consulted on how the club should have voted.

No one on here blames City fans for Swales’ incompetence. City were founder members of the PL with Swales at the helm. Does that make the formation of the PL our responsibility as supporters?
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On the same lines, blaming Everton's current owners for the earlier owner's vote is a bit like blaming Khaldoon for the shit we suffered under Swales.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think it’s a bit unfair to ascribe the protectionist motives of Bill Kenwright to Everton supporters, who won’t have been consulted on how the club should have voted.

No one on here blames City fans for Swales’ incompetence. City were founder members of the PL with Swales at the helm. Does that make the formation of the PL our responsibility as supporters?
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The thing is @gordondaviesmoustache it wasn’t a secret back room vote, everyone was aware, it was well publicised & the Everton fans were happy with it. It was seen as a way of stopping City & they were up for it.
Obviously they have realised now that it scuppers clubs with ambition so I’m caught between feeling sorry & fuck em.
 
cheekybids said:
The thing is @gordondaviesmoustache it wasn’t a secret back room vote, everyone was aware, it was well publicised & the Everton fans were happy with it. It was seen as a way of stopping City & they were up for it.
Obviously they have realised now that it scuppers clubs with ambition so I’m caught between feeling sorry & fuck em.
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I agree with you. I remember hearing the words, “Manchester City must be stopped” rather a lot around the time of ffp being mooted. Everton fans were amongst the loudest, many of them saying SM should have bought their club instead of ours because we had “no history”.

Bollocks to them.
 
SatOnTheWall said:
I agree with you. I remember hearing the words, “Manchester City must be stopped” rather a lot around the time of ffp being mooted. Everton fans were amongst the loudest, many of them saying SM should have bought their club instead of ours because we had “no history”.

Bollocks to them.
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Sheikh Mansour nearly did buy Everton. He had a £100m deal agreed with Kenwright, but as soon as Billy Boy found out how rich HRH was, he doubled the price which pissed Sheikh Mansour off.

Around this crucial point, enter Garry Cooke with his now infamous PowerPoint presentation. Out went negotiations with Mike Ashley & Bill Kenwright, & a deal was struck with Thaksin Shinawatra for the sale of Manchester City instead.

The rest is history... :-)
 
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cheekybids said:
The thing is @gordondaviesmoustache it wasn’t a secret back room vote, everyone was aware, it was well publicised & the Everton fans were happy with it. It was seen as a way of stopping City & they were up for it.
Obviously they have realised now that it scuppers clubs with ambition so I’m caught between feeling sorry & fuck em.
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Don’t recall Everton fans expressing any particular views at the time and even if they did, I doubt those views were taken into account by Kenwright when casting his vote, which will have been based on what he thought was best for Everton more than stopping City (although I accept the two things would not have been seen as mutually exclusive).

From the club’s point of view any temptation to say ‘fuck you’ to Everton should be resisted. If our alliances had been stronger when the vote was made, especially relative to United and Liverpool, then FFP wouldn’t have been introduced in the first place and we don’t go about building those alliances by telling clubs like Everton ‘I told you so’, especially when we have been such beneficiaries from their decision. That seems especially churlish to me.

Them and Forest are both potential allies about the shape the English game will (or won’t) take in the months and years ahead and we isolate ourselves unnecessarily from clubs like that at our peril, giving what we are up against, which doubtless includes an enduring aspiration for a ESL in some quarters.

Surely, stopping that happening again is far more important than point scoring because Bill Kenwright lacked any vision and was too emotional?
 
cheekybids said:
The power of the tabloids in the 80s. Everyone actually read the same front page stories, none of this “feeds” nonsense.

Add to the fact that your customer base was likely Sun & Mirror readers & you’re done for.

But who snitched? In a room with people who have common interests, it wasn’t the worst comment & hardly front page news. I’m sure there is more skulduggery behind it.
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It was filmed (perhaps unusually for an IoD dinner at the time). I think that’s what did for him.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Don’t recall Everton fans expressing any particular views at the time and even if they did, I doubt those views were taken into account by Kenwright when casting his vote, which will have been based on what he thought was best for Everton more than stopping City (although I accept the two things would not have been seen as mutually exclusive).

From the club’s point of view any temptation to say ‘fuck you’ to Everton should be resisted. If our alliances had been stronger when the vote was made, especially relative to United and Liverpool, then FFP wouldn’t have been introduced in the first place and we don’t go about building those alliances by telling clubs like Everton ‘I told you so’, especially when we have been such beneficiaries from their decision. That seems especially churlish to me.

Them and Forest are both potential allies about the shape the English game will (or won’t) take in the months and years ahead and we isolate ourselves unnecessarily from clubs like that at our peril, giving what we are up against, which doubtless includes an enduring aspiration for a ESL in some quarters.

Surely, stopping that happening again is far more important than point scoring because Bill Kenwright lacked any vision and was too emotional?
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Good points, I can be swayed….. you put a good argument across but the main point is how they’ve been working with the EPL & yet instead of working for a solution it was the EPL that said fuck em.

Also anyone sharing a city with those cunts needs the benefit of our doubt.
 
cheekybids said:
Good points, I can be swayed….. you put a good argument across but the main point is how they’ve been working with the EPL & yet instead of working for a solution it was the EPL that said fuck em.

Also anyone sharing a city with those cunts needs the benefit of our doubt.
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The PL have painted themselves into corner, and I so bet they are regretting it now, but let’s not forget that the PL is essentially its members and so wielding power is about building alliances therein, which we are now well placed to do.
 
Everton's 10 point deduction was based on how much they had lost.
Do we know how much they and forest have lost this time?
 
The only thing I sympathise with Everton for - is sharing a City with those other set of scouse rats! They nailed their true colours to the mast when FFP was introduced. They wanted us stopped, was the main catalyst of support for FFP, along with suppprt from many other clubs. Now they can't play by the rules they contributed to implement, they are squealing!

Same for Forest. Albeit they weren't on the "stop City bandwagon" their fans are always bleating on about oil money, and cheats etc... a watered down version of Liverpool - so they can do one as well! Another team living off the back of European success that was nearly watched in black and white it was that long ago.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Don’t recall Everton fans expressing any particular views at the time and even if they did, I doubt those views were taken into account by Kenwright when casting his vote, which will have been based on what he thought was best for Everton more than stopping City (although I accept the two things would not have been seen as mutually exclusive).

From the club’s point of view any temptation to say ‘fuck you’ to Everton should be resisted. If our alliances had been stronger when the vote was made, especially relative to United and Liverpool, then FFP wouldn’t have been introduced in the first place and we don’t go about building those alliances by telling clubs like Everton ‘I told you so’, especially when we have been such beneficiaries from their decision. That seems especially churlish to me.

Them and Forest are both potential allies about the shape the English game will (or won’t) take in the months and years ahead and we isolate ourselves unnecessarily from clubs like that at our peril, giving what we are up against, which doubtless includes an enduring aspiration for a ESL in some quarters.

Surely, stopping that happening again is far more important than point scoring because Bill Kenwright lacked any vision and was too emotional?
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Do you not think a huge part of owners like Kenwright voting for FFP was to limit ambition for his own club ? By introducing FFP it meant he didnt have to stick his hands in his own pocket and could turn to the fans and say, “sorry we cant spend because of FFP”.
Id say in a lot of cases it wasnt about doing the best for their clubs , more themselves.

If Kenwright was such a big Evertonian, would he not want a rich sheik to come in and transform his club and its area? He had that chance and greed and narcissism meant he stopped himself doing so.
 
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