PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[oakiecokie]

None of them existed and the clubs were able to spend whatever they wished sourced from wherever

One example Everton, known as the bank of england club, as the Moores family funded them from the pools money (aka dirty gambling money) They did likewise with LFC who, were funded from mid second division obscurity, in fact virtually every successful club in history have had some measure of owner investment Blackburn, Leicester City Arsenal Chelsea the list is endless All was good until the cartel were upset by Mansour's takeover as their billionaire owners were made to look like paupers, and their guaranteed UCL money wasn't guaranteed any longer

Spot on Gord.

 

[Gordyola]

As we aren't a publicly listed company then I assume the Risks and Uncertanties bit isn't hugely important as Sheikh Mansour will be taking almost all the hit if we end up in the NW Counties League

City are a Private Limited Company 100% owned by CFG which is a also a Private Limited Company so neither are traded on any stock exchange

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Well that's where I feel City should chase these libellous bastards in the media into courts for damages, hopefully bankrupt most of them. That would feel like winning the Treble again

We can't sue anyone at the moment because it could undermine our ongoing legal battle. We will have to keep our powder dry.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I’ve only skim read the Delaney article but two points jumped out. He states City are owned by a dictatorship - untrue and potentially libellous
He also says that a “superbly run club like Real Sociodad….) Doesn’t seem to cross his mind how superbly run City is.
It really boils down to bitter jealousy on the part of our rivals. If they would only acknowledge the fact (unpalatable though it may be for them to do so) that a huge part of City’s success is we have a football genius as manager. For all the jibes about money, if Pep had managed u**ted, the scousers or Arse over the same period, whilst they might not have had quite the same spectacular success we’ve had, they would certainly have been there or thereabouts every year, especially with u**ted with the equivalent money they had to spend/have spent.
It’s not just about the fucking money.
It’s hard not to let all this constant shithousery get one down but balls to the lot of them and it’s a great comfort to contrast the experience of being a City fan as things are with how it would have felt if HH Sheik Mansour and Pep had bought/managed the red shirts. Stuff of nightmares

Would they have been using hacked emails to go back through accounts in the year 2009 if Guardiola had never rocked up at City and we were enjoying the initial odd title here and there and struggling to get out of the group stages of the champions league like we were during the early stages of the take over. I very much doubt they’d give two shits about where Mancini’s wages and who were paying the sponsorships

Now City have crushed them all into the ground and they’ve loaded their clubs with debt to keep up they want City gone and Guardiola’s legacy in English football tarnished because they haven’t got a clue how to run a successful football club. It’s that bad they are now poaching our staff at the swamp to replicate what City do. It’s getting tiresome the attacks and the constant rule changes to try and fuck City over, it’s not stopped City but it’s killing other clubs growing in the process.

 

[Gordyola]

Well that's where I feel City should chase these libellous bastards in the media into courts for damages, hopefully bankrupt most of them. That would feel like winning the Treble again

Not worth it, too much time for the executives who can be better employed Wouldnt prove anything and the media are experts in how far they can go

 

[citizen_maine]

Would they have been using hacked emails to go back through accounts in the year 2009 if Guardiola had never rocked up at City and we were enjoying the initial odd title here and there and struggling to get out of the group stages of the champions league like we were during the early stages of the take over. I very much doubt they’d give two shits about where Mancini’s wages and who were paying the sponsorships

Now City have crushed them all into the ground and they’ve loaded their clubs with debt to keep up they want City gone and Guardiola’s legacy in English football tarnished because they haven’t got a clue how to run a successful football club. It’s that bad they are now poaching our staff at the swamp to replicate what City do. It’s getting tiresome the attacks and the constant rule changes to try and fuck City over, it’s not stopped City but it’s killing other clubs growing in the process.

Pretty sure the rags owners had loaded the club with debt way before they needed to try and keep up with us

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Would they have been using hacked emails to go back through accounts in the year 2009 if Guardiola had never rocked up at City and we were enjoying the initial odd title here and there and struggling to get out of the group stages of the champions league like we were during the early stages of the take over. I very much doubt they’d give two shits about where Mancini’s wages and who were paying the sponsorships

Now City have crushed them all into the ground and they’ve loaded their clubs with debt to keep up they want City gone and Guardiola’s legacy in English football tarnished because they haven’t got a clue how to run a successful football club. It’s that bad they are now poaching our staff at the swamp to replicate what City do. It’s getting tiresome the attacks and the constant rule changes to try and fuck City over, it’s not stopped City but it’s killing other clubs growing in the process.

Same sentiment here. Without this gargantuan success under pep none of this would be happening.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Would they have been using hacked emails to go back through accounts in the year 2009 if Guardiola had never rocked up at City and we were enjoying the initial odd title here and there and struggling to get out of the group stages of the champions league like we were during the early stages of the take over. I very much doubt they’d give two shits about where Mancini’s wages and who were paying the sponsorships

Now City have crushed them all into the ground and they’ve loaded their clubs with debt to keep up they want City gone and Guardiola’s legacy in English football tarnished because they haven’t got a clue how to run a successful football club. It’s that bad they are now poaching our staff at the swamp to replicate what City do. It’s getting tiresome the attacks and the constant rule changes to try and fuck City over, it’s not stopped City but it’s killing other clubs growing in the process.

If we’d have spunked millions and ended up in the championship they would have waved us off laughing and none of these “rules” would’ve seen the light of day.

Cunts.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Pretty sure the rags owners had loaded the club with debt way before they needed to try and keep up with us

That debt has got bigger since they’ve had to deal with the City juggernaut. They probably leveraged that buy out thinking they’d always be top dogs, being in a constant transition since 2013 has made the hole they are in even bigger.

 

[spiny]

Not long after our takeover, questions were being asked on the sustainability of the ADUG strategy, plans and investments. The Swiss Ramble did an analysis and concluded they were feasible, albeit conditional. Success on the field has justified the investment, removed any doubts and taken City finances to the top, beyond other English clubs and still growing.

Typically it was dismissed in the comments particularly by an Arsenal fan. Knowing about business in the Middle East, I replied saying that they had no comprehension of the scale of the proposed investment and that it was a 20 year plan in scope way beyond the proposed limited developments around the London Olympic Stadium. This was even before the Etihad Campus contaminated land site development.

It would be very interesting to revisit The Swiss Ramble archives, if anyone has access? For those not familiar, he is a respected, credible and often quoted source on football club finances in a standard comparable format, predating FFP.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Not long after our takeover, questions were being asked on the sustainability of the ADUG strategy, plans and investments. The Swiss Ramble did an analysis and concluded they were feasible, albeit conditional. Success on the field has justified the investment, removed any doubts and taken City finances to the top, beyond other English clubs and still growing.

Typically it was dismissed in the comments particularly by an Arsenal fan. Knowing about business in the Middle East, I replied saying that they had no comprehension of the scale of the proposed investment and that it was a 20 year plan in scope way beyond the proposed limited developments around the London Olympic Stadium. This was even before the Etihad Campus contaminated land site development.

It would be very interesting to revisit The Swiss Ramble archives, if anyone has access? For those not familiar, he is a respected, credible and often quoted source on football club finances in a standard comparable format, predating FFP.

I like Swiss Ramble, I even subscribed to his reports he issues.

The world doesnt run on facts though, it runs on make believe. And thats why a knob like mark goldbridge can make more money telling people what they want to hear.

 

[cheekybids]

Is that what he's saying?

Tbf to him that tweet reads like he's saying what Martin Samual has been saying for 10 years... the champs league money, along with ffp, has skewed the league so that teams in it will almost always be in it.

But that’s not happened, the teams are very different even if you just look at England as Liverpool & Chelsea didn’t qualify & the Rags didn’t get past the groups. Newcastle were a surprise qualifier but went out in groups.

If anything there’s been a bit of a shake up which is why the cunts want to change it back.

 

[ROCKET80]

Is that what he's saying?

Tbf to him that tweet reads like he's saying what Martin Samual has been saying for 10 years... the champs league money, along with ffp, has skewed the league so that teams in it will almost always be in it.

From what I've read they both come at it from different angles.

Samuels appears to be old school, not fussed about the format but that the Champions League should just be for champions, and by including teams who finished in the top4 of the biggest leagues it caused further disparity between the richer clubs of the biggest nations.

To me, Delaney is just bemoaning that the likes of City are now competing for honours. We would not be getting articles like this from him (and nor did we) if United, Liverpool, and Arsenal were constantly in the latter stages.

His argument is that there are only certain teams able to win it now, when that was always the case (other than a brief period when English clubs were banned and it saw Steaua, Porto, PSV and Red Star win their first European Cups).

Since the anomaly that was Porto v Monaco there have been 19 CL Finals. 7 clubs ( Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan, Inter, Liverpool, and United) share 16 of those titles. Those clubs have been runners-up on 9 occasions.

Since Nottm. Forest beat Malmo in 1979 there has only been one final where both European Cup/Champions League finalists were making their first appearance at that stage guaranteeing a new winner of the competition. That was in 1991 when Red Star beat Marseille.

 

[Gingers Dad]

I think Pep has a bet with the press office what fucking stupid question he will ask.

Note the look Pep gives his mate on the top table everytime he's covers his face after Slimey opens his gob.

If you read the articles Stone writes after City press conference's, they're never around the stupid question he asked himself. Probably because he doesn't want to highlight the fact that Pep slapped him down again.

 

[Brendan110_0]

Is that what he's saying?

Tbf to him that tweet reads like he's saying what Martin Samual has been saying for 10 years... the champs league money, along with ffp, has skewed the league so that teams in it will almost always be in it.

Only took him 15 years to realise? Guy is unstable, he's championing the ESL as the long term fix for unfairness lol

 

[Chris in London]

To me, Delaney is just bemoaning that the likes of City are now competing for honours. We would not be getting articles like this from him (and nor did we) if United, Liverpool, and Arsenal were constantly in the latter stages.

There was a time just before and after the takeover when English clubs were dominating the latter stages of the champions league, when but for Pep’s Barca team the PL would have had something of a monopoly. Liverpool, Arsenal Chelsea and United all reached the final in a fairly short period. It wasn’t unusual for English clubs to make up two or even three of the semi finalists.

i didn’t read that much about the CL in those days, but what I do remember is that there was a huge amount of tubthumping in the media that after years in the wilderness English football was once more dominating Europe.

How those times have changed.

 

[Bluesince1979]

We do realise how much money you make which allows you to spend a lot on players. Its more aimed as the PL than City. The point being that the rules in place are a joke. Im sure a lot if you have said it yourselves. The P&S rules as they stand are just to keep the status quo.

Its not a level playing field when these rules come into effect when already rich/successful/worldwide clubs are earning quadruple the amounts of others. Take Utd for instance and their £900m kit deal. There are only them, you, Arsenal, RS and Chelsea who could come close to deals like that. The rest would get a fraction

So yes you spent within your means rightly so and im sure every one of our fans would state how brilliantly you are run. But most other clubs dont have the same means and wont do for a long time. The ones that do have the means are not allowed.

Just think , if the sheik had chosen you and not us, which was a real possibility , then this would be a very different convo with us looking up and you looking down.

Of course, your owners voted for this carve up. So ya know…
You have a brand spanking new stadium, a fantastic local support base in a world renowned City, you would be a very attractive investment for some rich dirty arab oil money to make your dreams come true, but due to your club voting for FFP, thats not a possibility anymore. Ah well.

I have no sympathy for Everton. They were the original instigators, along with the red shirts and laughingly spurs who first voted against the away team getting a split of your gate money (you wanted it all for your selves) and instigated the formation of the premier league, widening the gap further.
Funny how life turns out/

as has been said, we arent the enemy, any other team apart from liverpool, united, arsenal and , laughingly, spurs , should be willing us to win the case and then fight ffp. Then … maybe you can experience what we have the last 15 years. Its fuckin brilliant

 

[nmc]

From what I've read they both come at it from different angles.

Samuels appears to be old school, not fussed about the format but that the Champions League should just be for champions, and by including teams who finished in the top4 of the biggest leagues it caused further disparity between the richer clubs of the biggest nations.

To me, Delaney is just bemoaning that the likes of City are now competing for honours. We would not be getting articles like this from him (and nor did we) if United, Liverpool, and Arsenal were constantly in the latter stages.

His argument is that there are only certain teams able to win it now, when that was always the case (other than a brief period when English clubs were banned and it saw Steaua, Porto, PSV and Red Star win their first European Cups).

Since the anomaly that was Porto v Monaco there have been 19 CL Finals. 7 clubs ( Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Milan, Inter, Liverpool, and United) share 16 of those titles. Those clubs have been runners-up on 9 occasions.

Since Nottm. Forest beat Malmo in 1979 there has only been one final where both European Cup/Champions League finalists were making their first appearance at that stage guaranteeing a new winner of the competition. That was in 1991 when Red Star beat Marseille.

Deloony is bitching because the cartel clubs despite all their new rules and controls are falling behind. Boo bloody hoo the childish little prick. Deloony is a classic spoilt brat who is clearly in the pay of the red top clubs.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

If you read the articles Stone writes after City press conference's, they're never around the stupid question he asked himself. Probably because he doesn't want to highlight the fact that Pep slapped him down again.

I’ll never tire of saying that Stone is a grade one arsehole.

 

[Asa's left peg]

So there are a few caveats to all this 'if we had your money/income'.

Multi national companies and others want to be associated with success, but there can only be one winner of a competition at a time so (as they say) success breeds success and the money will follow (along with prize money).

Then there is the question of owners. Take out dividends or re invest? The stature of businessman dictates how the business is run (academies/local engagement/ whole business ethos/innovative.)

The quality of manager. Imagine if De Zerbie had our business set up behind him (we may find out) or Villa now.

Quality of recruitment. Whether it be the manager or DOF, mistakes are made, injuries happen and players loose form (or get arrested!)



This ideal world where we are all equal is a joke. It's always been so. It's not realistic to want or imagine that teams all equally get 300 million a year to spend on their team or anything else. Some will spend it badly and others will need to build an academy etc.

One thing is for sure and historic - if you don't have a go on the pitch - it will never happen. We can be beaten or got at, but you have to try. Too many don't.

There was an intesting article on the BBC today, about Torvill and Dean ( the skaters). They tried and for a short time changed the perception of ice dance (not a big fan) by interpreting the style of that sport and the public/world loved it and were successful. What did the ruling body do ? Yep changed the rules and it's pretty much died a death. See it's not just football.