Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That's your corruption right there!

Yup.

A Premier League referee admitting giving incorrect match changing decisions based on a personality clash.

 

[Gordyola]

Thing is. If the ref cant see the defender pulling Dias shirt which causes the defender to handball and pushing the ball away than VAR should have.

With all the tools the officials have I dont understand how it isnt a penalty.

Shirt pulling a player down = penalty

Shirt pulling a player down causing his arm to hit the ball = penalty

Shirt pulling a player down causing his arm to hit the ball than to move the ball away = penalties

I get told it's not bent but what other explanation is there ?

This is another wasn’t a clear and obvious error and they say if he gave it then it wouldn’t be overturned, bullshit

 

[Gordyola]

Which crook have we got tonight?

Darren England the VAR who messed up the offside that cost the scousers He needs to make up with them

 

[Stephen230]

I wish posters would stop talking about inconsistencies. The decisions are very, very consistent. Play in red and it goes in your favour - every time, very consistent.
City - goes against you 9 out of 10. Again, very consistent.
City v Liverpool - 100 out of 100 to dippers

Have you examples of similar handball incidents been flagged up by the VAR this season.

It’s not a loaded question I’m genuinely interested.

Because according to the ESPN guy who closely monitors all VAR decisions, he reckons only five penalties have been given on the suggestion of a VAR this season. And all five of them have been when the arm has been well away from the body. Either up high near head height or well out at the side.

He claims in instances like this where the ball has hit a hand/ arm close to the body, 100% of decisions have stuck with the onfield decision.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Just seen the penalty Forest weren't given at the weekend and you think we are dealt a shit hand. The whole point of VAR unless I am mistaken was to ensure that decisions that were given incorrectly were then reversed. I can see how in real time the penalty wasn't given but how VAR didn't reverse the decision is beyond me.

 

[spinney]

Darren England the VAR who messed up the offside that cost the scousers He needs to make up with them

He is their go to var for most scousers games

 

[TinFoilHat]

Which crook have we got tonight?

Darren "Dipper" England.

Was their go to VAR guy until the spurs fuck up instead of Peter Scouse **** Banks.

 

[MadchesterCity]

You know you still could be ....

This could all be an elaborate charade.

Indeed you found the traitor

 

[MadchesterCity]

I'm at the end of my tether now. I can't understand why the club isn't coming out about the recent reffing decisions. Matches are just ruined for me at the moment because all I seem to focus on is reffing and VAR because I am convinced we are being done over by the FA/Prem league/PGMOL/SKY, or maybe a combination.

I have just watched Ref Watch and I was convinced that there would be reference to the shirt pulling in the handball decision that wasn't given but it was not mentioned at all. All they are focusing on is it not being handball and the fact that it is based on recent decisions but they were wrong too, not by the letter of the law but because it was unfair. So f**k constancy, let's get it right now - forget the letter of the law, forget previous decisions and consistency. Why? Because it's City FFS.

Look at this screenshot of the 'handball', why no comment about Dias not being able to jump because he's being pulled down by the knob who handles the ball and is also fouled by the other defender jumping on him.

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Check the shirt colour and come back to me!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yup.

A Premier League referee admitting giving incorrect match changing decisions based on a personality clash.

Sounds nothing like corruption. Bloke doesn’t like another bloke because he doesn’t like him.

Are posters in here corrupt because they don’t like what I say?

It makes him a shit referee, not corrupt.

 

[Paladin]

Sounds nothing like corruption. Bloke doesn’t like another bloke because he doesn’t like him.

Are posters in here corrupt because they don’t like what I say?

It makes him a shit referee, not corrupt.

I agree with you, that's not an example of corruption. As a referee, you might naturally go against players that give you a hard time.

Corruption is hard to identify and prove. There is bias though, and there certainly is incompetence. If incompetence favours the same clubs over a long time, and discriminates against the same clubs over a long time, then you have to ask if they're is anything more to it.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Sounds nothing like corruption. Bloke doesn’t like another bloke because he doesn’t like him.

Are posters in here corrupt because they don’t like what I say?

It makes him a shit referee, not corrupt.

I am assuming the PGMOL rulebook says referees should referee fairly and in accordance with the LOTG, not how they feel towards the players. So, of course, a referee being able to send someone off unchecked because it makes his life easier is a corruption of the process. In the same way, if I may say so, home advantage continually being given to Liverpool and United, unconscious or not, is a corruption of the process if it isn't corrected.

If you mean financial corruption, who knows with Clattenburg? I wouldn't trust anything he says.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Have you examples of similar handball incidents been flagged up by the VAR this season.

It’s not a loaded question I’m genuinely interested.

Because according to the ESPN guy who closely monitors all VAR decisions, he reckons only five penalties have been given on the suggestion of a VAR this season. And all five of them have been when the arm has been well away from the body. Either up high near head height or well out at the side.

He claims in instances like this where the ball has hit a hand/ arm close to the body, 100% of decisions have stuck with the onfield decision.

Ask the ESPN guy if he can remember a bad decision going our way against Dipperpool and being allowed to stand? Give him the last fifty years to go at. (We did get an offside given against Sterling when he was onside at the Etihad a few years ago, the only one I can remember)

 

[halfcenturyup]

I agree with you, that's not an example of corruption. As a referee, you might naturally go against players that give you a hard time.

Corruption is hard to identify and prove. There is bias though, and there certainly is incompetence. If incompetence favours the same clubs over a long time, and discriminates against the same clubs over a long time, then you have to ask if they're is anything more to it.

Bias and incompetence, if uncorrected, are a corruption of the refereeing process.

They can hide a multitude of actions that can influence results and, if there is no confidence in the process, there can be no confidence in the results. Which is what happens.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Sounds nothing like corruption. Bloke doesn’t like another bloke because he doesn’t like him.

Are posters in here corrupt because they don’t like what I say?

It makes him a shit referee, not corrupt.

Shit referees make shit decisions against all teams, should be 50/50. We certainly haven't received our share of that 50% yet.
Uriah Rennie was the epitome of shit, he didn't discriminate, he was just shit.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

The VAR fella tonight, Michael Salisbury, has the potential to be the worst referee of all time. Not seen him have one decent match (ever) and his VAR decisions have been as bad. You have been warned for tonight.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Shit referees make shit decisions against all teams, should be 50/50. We certainly haven't received our share of that 50% yet.
Uriah Rennie was the epitome of shit, he didn't discriminate, he was just shit.

Refereeing corruption is the equivalent of ”wokeness”.

Both are derogatory descriptions of things people don’t like, but neither can be defined properly and are used freely on social media.

Now I’ve had this thought, it clarifies things for me.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I agree with you, that's not an example of corruption. As a referee, you might naturally go against players that give you a hard time.

Corruption is hard to identify and prove. There is bias though, and there certainly is incompetence. If incompetence favours the same clubs over a long time, and discriminates against the same clubs over a long time, then you have to ask if they're is anything more to it.

An official knowingly making an incorrect decision with potential game changing consequences, in a £Multi-Billion industry isn't corruption?

If it was unconscious bias then you might have a point, but Clattenberg made a conscious decision to fcuk the player over because he didn't like him... and he ADMITTED so.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Sounds nothing like corruption. Bloke doesn’t like another bloke because he doesn’t like him.

Are posters in here corrupt because they don’t like what I say?

It makes him a shit referee, not corrupt.

If you're using corrupt as a verb rather than an adjective I'd argue that his (perceived self) status and the "unquestionability-culture" of refereeing decision making, have 100% corrupted him.

He has been corrupted by power.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If you're using corrupt as a verb rather than an adjective I'd argue that his (perceived self) status and the "unquestionability-culture" of refereeing decision making, have 100% corrupted him.

He has been corrupted by power.

My follow up reply clarifies what I feel now. It’s just frustrated people shouting a term to voice their unhappiness.