PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Paladin]

Can see where this is headed.

I'm not sure where this is headed, but in my view, a certain journalist / campaigner appears to be quite mentally unbalanced. We should not go tit for tat with him. The club has the correct approach in just not engaging with him in any way whatsoever. If something should happen to him, please don't let there be anything on here that might show City fans as being a contributory factor.

 

[houraisen]

Since Nick Harris seemingly has no qualms about posting private messages, here’s an unsolicited text message that he sent me in the early hours a while ago. It’s not normal behaviour for a journalist. I genuinely think he needs help.

View attachment 108551

Truly horrifying. It's insane.

 

[MCC]

Since Nick Harris seemingly has no qualms about posting private messages, here’s an unsolicited text message that he sent me in the early hours a while ago. It’s not normal behaviour for a journalist. I genuinely think he needs help.

View attachment 108551

So i joined in supported by the club? Another lie from Nick. What a tosser.

 

[Ric]

How did he get your number?

In a previous (more civil) email exchange he'd given me his contact details unprompted, which seemed a bit strange, but out of courtesy I gave him mine.

 

[halfcenturyup]

This is verging on the sinister...not sure who you could flag this up to...maybe better to block and save him from himself...

That was after the judge decided he wasn't an expert in the trial, no? He doesn't seem to deal with failure very well. Which is a shame, as that is something at which he is actually expert.

 

[Phil1]

The way I see it is, I've lost close friends and family (too early) who were mad about city - and this **** is trying to destroy the thing that they loved - so fuck him, I don't give a shit about his personal circumstances.

He was going for us whilst she was still alive so it’s not an excuse he should be afforded. I have sympathy for him like I would for anybody who loses a loved one but it’s not a valid reason for his actions since then.

 

[Maly]

Tinder.

You’ve spelt Grinder wrong

Sorry Ric :)

 

[Chi-town blues]

In a previous (more civil) email exchange he'd given me his contact details unprompted, which seemed a bit strange, but out of courtesy I gave him mine.

Whats his username here ?

 

[BlueRockape]

Since Nick Harris seemingly has no qualms about posting private messages, here’s an unsolicited text message that he sent me in the early hours a while ago. It’s not normal behaviour for a journalist. I genuinely think he needs help.

View attachment 108551

Fukin nut job

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Whats his username here ?

Bland Tosspot.

 

[Metalartin]

Another point that I didn't include, in my already lengthy post(here's another), was his disingenuous argument against any notion that FFP had anything to do with cartel clubs like United, Liverpool and Arsenal.

He started off by saying "well the original concept was proposed in 2007 and I know the guy"(probably doesn't know him either, spotting a pattern with that fraud). His aim was clear there, to show FFP was around before the City takeover in 2008 and make the argument seem unreasonable. I couldn't find anything in the public domain about official discussions on FFP from 2007 personally. Also, the argument was never just about City. Ever since Chelsea in 2003, those cartel clubs were fearing new investment from rich owners, into clubs other than the established elite because they could lose out on revenue in the long term and fall down the ladder. Which was something that used to be a part of the natural cycles of football for a long time.

It's still disingenuous, without pointing that out anyway. Since most people know the original aim of FFP, had nothing to do with the Wenger phrase "financial doping". What Stefan was referencing, was the FFP regulations that UEFA competition and later the PL(2013) actually ended up with.

It's not unreasonable,to argue that a cartel of elite clubs, lobbied for certain financial rules, that clearly suited them over everyone else, to be included in UEFA's FFP regulations. It's not some alien concept that rules and regulations are often added by an organisation/governing body, as a result of members raising their concerns, complaints and wishes. The media played a role, in making owner investment into football clubs seem like the worst enemy in football. Which would have been a help to create pressure on UEFA to consider those complaints and proposals. Net spend used to be a big focal point in the press too but that stopped around the time it became clear, United had rapidly decreasing amounts of room to talk about that. Such a coincidence, or: "it's a miracle", as Nick would say.

Lastly, from a City perspective, the relevant timeline would be this anyway:

Sheikh Mansour becomes the new owner of City via his private investments firm ADUG in September 2008.

UEFA approved the concept of FFP in September 2009, almost exactly a year later and I assume work on creating and agreeing on the actual rule set started after that point. A 2009 UEFA review, was used in the reasoning for this decision, which showed 20% out of 655 European clubs were believed to be in financial peril. Additionally, Deloit's report in 2009 indicated that total debt among the 20 Premier League clubs at the end of the 2008/09 season was £3.3 billion. But the PL didn't introduce their version until 2013.

UEFA then presented the concept and it's finalised set of FFP regulations at European Parliament in June 2010.

UEFA's FFP was introduced from the start of the 2011/12 season.

Those regulations were updated multiple times after that point too: 2012, 2015, 2018, possibly more, until FFP was eventually replaced with FSR in June 2022. Which has already been updated on July 2023 with a new 'edition'.

So there was plenty of time for those cartel clubs to conspire and think of ways to hamper City specifically(and any future clubs like them) and lobby for their proposals to be included. Possibly with threats of the ESL thrown in for good measure. Nick doesn't seem concerned with that much at all or the main culprits in the PL for the ESL concept ever being considered.

The next time Nick tries this disingenuous "City fans are paranoid and delusional" narrative, someone should ask him if we imagined the creation of the G-14 too. He didn't seem to want to accept there had been any collusion from a group of elite clubs at all, which is quite a ridiculous stance, from a self professed expert.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

In a previous (more civil) email exchange he'd given me his contact details unprompted, which seemed a bit strange, but out of courtesy I gave him mine.

So not Grindr then?

 

[philiph20]

Just out of curiosity who does this nutter support?, do they play in red?.

 

[give it to gordon]

Since Nick Harris seemingly has no qualms about posting private messages, here’s an unsolicited text message that he sent me in the early hours a while ago. It’s not normal behaviour for a journalist. I genuinely think he needs help.

View attachment 108551

I dont even understand it what he is saying

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

If anyone is struggling to understand our charges you could get tickets for this madness

I'm sure that will be an intelligent discussion of historical facts and balanced opinions resulting in a fair assessment of everything currently related to our case.

Or on the other hand it could be an angry mob of torch & pitchfork wielding, mislead, partisan, buffoons lapping up Harris' bitter delusions and hearsay bullshit as "fact". It'll be like a discussion of "Margaret Thatchers greatest policies" held at a Port Talbot Labour Club.

Road show Next Stops:

The Empire - Liverpool - sponsored by RAWK
The Bishop Blaize - Trafford sponsored by Stretford Paddock

 

[paulchapo]

It's a shame that @paulchapo didn't take up Harris's dinner invitation because it's clear after the podcast that he (Harris) hasn't got the balls to back up his Twatter bravado face to face.

I thought the way he singled me out and copied and pasted what I posted here onto his Twitter page utterly bizarre. I was having a bit of a rant on here and said the club should sue him and somebody mentioned the death of his wife. I think I said although sad he was a c**** before it and has been one after it, or something like that. The way it was implied was that my "Deranged" post was indicative of the terrible abuse he gets from City fans. As a result I was piled on by his followers, redshirts of course and even fucking Gary Lineker called me, or rather my post, vile. I actually thought given some posts I'd seen about him mine was fairly mild. I didn't like the twist that I was either making light of his wife's death or mocking it, that certainly wasn't the case.

What I did do however was take a look online about his wife's death. It was very sad and I could see how this could easily mentally affect someone. As a result I posted here that I was sorry if what I posted was misconstrued and if it caused him any distress that was not my intention and it wasn't. I posted that here as apparently somebody relayed my original post to him, so whoever was doing so, if true, could send him that one.

As for the offer he was putting out there to meet me for dinner and constantly saying I hadn't replied to him, with a possible inference I was somehow running scared, that wasn't the case. He has no email address I could find and even if on Twitter you have to be a blue tick member to message him. I did pm somebody here who'd had dealings with him to try and get a contact number but was advised against it . Apparently anybody who had done so had been bombarded with abuse and hounded to the point that an injunction had been sought. I am far too long in the tooth for that nonsense. Given the way he has reacted to @projectriver on Twitter after their spot on Talksport I think I did well to heed that advice. As for actually having dinner with him why on earth would I do that? We have absolutely nothing in common and we are poles apart on our views on City and the charges. There is also a chance it could have deteriorated in a not too pleasant way. I am too old and wise these days to let my ego lead me into such situations and I'm happy that's the case.Thirty years ago it would have been very different.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Just out of curiosity who does this nutter support?, do they play in red?.

Southampton allegedly.

 

[Chi-town blues]

I dont even understand it what he is saying

Exactly but he is getting personal now .

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I dont even understand it what he is saying

He is saying that Ric acted as a mouthpiece for the club to shut down former youth players who accused Barry Bennell of sexually assaulting them. He also accused him of encouraging a pile on to silence 'journalists' like himself.

 

[wolviedinho]

He is saying that Ric acted as a mouthpiece for the club to shut down former youth players who accused Barry Bennell of sexually assaulting them. He also accused him of encouraging a pile on to silence 'journalists' like himself.

That’s fucking sick. Way over the line imo.