VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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halfcenturyup said:
Johnson gets feedback from PGMOL and that would probably stop very quickly if he went against them. When he does say they have made a mistake you can be sure the "independent" review panel comes to the same conclusion in due course. He is just another Gallagher, granted with a better vocabulary.

Imho, his articles are useful though, as they give the PGMOL view much more coherently than interviews with Webb or Gallagher.
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I don’t particularly doubt the review panel’s independence. It’s not like they have any particular great sway. I doubt most fans even know they exist. So I don’t really see the point of it, if they were being paid to just agree with the decisions.

The issue with them for me, is like the VARs themselves, they are being asked to vote on actual factual errors and side with the decisions whenever any degree of subjectivity is involved. Rather than pointing out what they actually think the best decision would have been.

Hence you get them voting 3-0 in favour of the decision to allow the Fernandez goal in last years derby.
 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t particularly doubt the review panel’s independence. It’s not like they have any particular great sway. I doubt most fans even know they exist. So I don’t really see the point of it, if they were being paid to just agree with the decisions.

The issue with them for me, is like the VARs themselves, they are being asked to vote on actual factual errors and side with the decisions whenever any degree of subjectivity is involved. Rather than pointing out what they actually think the best decision would have been.

Hence you get them voting 3-0 in favour of the decision to allow the Fernandezal in last years derby.
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Yep. It's just another part of the false "independence" used obsessively by the PL in a poor attempt to show good governance. Everywhere you look you see "independent" commissions / panels that aren't really independent. There are standards for ensuring independent review of process efficiency and the PL is nowhere near them, imho.
 
Just watching Watkins lovely finish for 2nd goal. Flagged offside when he’s on. This would have just been casually scrubbed off in previous years. No one mentions just how many perfectly good goals like this are now correctly given.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Just watching Watkins lovely finish for 2nd goal. Flagged offside when he’s on. This would have just been casually scrubbed off in previous years. No one mentions just how many perfectly good goals like this are now correctly given.
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And there he is!

I wondered when you'd appear.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Rarely watch MOTD, so just an observation.
Would hate to go back to casually seeing perfectly good goals ruled offside - apologies if that’s such a ludicrous thought.
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Not at all.

You are correct about the Villa goal.

As you know I'm a fan of VAR and any other technology that makes the correct decisions.

However, the VAR bod for Forest V Liverpool today must have gone for a piss when not reviewing a potential penalty for forest in injury time today. This same person has got the job for the Manchester derby tomorrow.

Imagine if he does the same eh?

Strange they couldn't find someone else to do that job. Meaning he has an potential influence in results of games involving the current top 2 teams in the country.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
It’s great to give credit for goals not being casually called offside….if you can identify the margin of error for the system which allows or rules out goals every week. What is it @BlueHammer85 ?
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I think they give a tolerance level of about 5cm - but we’re seeing it’s working loads better than the naked eye of the lino. Week in week out perfectly good goals are flagged offside - only for VAR to show it was on.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I think they give a tolerance level of about 5cm - but we’re seeing it’s working loads better than the naked eye of the lino. Week in week out perfectly good goals are flagged offside - only for VAR to show it was on.
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The VAR system uses Sky's 60 Frames per Second feed.

If you work the numbers through the approximate distance travelled by a football between frames is around 8 inches.
All this talk of cm's and toes etc is just bullshit. The system is nowhere near as accurate as they like to tell us.
The line thats drawn should be 8 inches or so wide and anything within that band is basically uncertain and the benfit of doubt should go to the attacking team, in my opinion.

There's no technical justification i.e interpolation etc that can nail it down to cm precision. Its basically all bullshit.

btw The goal line technolgy uses camera's that have much higher frame rates and is therefore inherently more accurate. Maybe to a couple cm's but even that is a bit smoke and mirrors.

VAR is bullshit and is being used to influence results.
 
ShedDweller said:
The VAR system uses Sky's 60 Frames per Second feed.

If you work the numbers through the approximate distance travelled by a football between frames is around 8 inches.
All this talk of cm's and toes etc is just bullshit. The system is nowhere near as accurate as they like to tell us.
The line thats drawn should be 8 inches or so wide and anything within that band is basically uncertain and the benfit of doubt should go to the attacking team, in my opinion.

There's no technical justification i.e interpolation etc that can nail it down to cm precision. Its basically all bullshit.

btw The goal line technolgy uses camera's that have much higher frame rates and is therefore inherently more accurate. Maybe to a couple cm's but even that is a bit smoke and mirrors.

VAR is bullshit and is being used to influence results.
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So you prefer old standard lino rather than tech which can get a (not 100%) but more accurate decision correct ?

Far easier to ‘influence’ results than without VAR - just flag well offside against whoever they want and no questions asked.
 
I think VAR could be used as I said above, you draw the line including the error margin and then give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team.

I reckon there's plenty of good goals being chalked off (usually involving teams that don't play in Red) that should - and would be given using the method I'v described.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Would hate to go back to casually seeing perfectly good goals ruled offside - apologies if that’s such a ludicrous thought.
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But that's the whole point of VAR, so what would be the point of discussing it when it does what it's supposed to?
 
homerdog said:
But that's the whole point of VAR, so what would be the point of discussing it when it does what it's supposed to?
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I think it’s healthy for a thread to highlight the pros and cons, too often one dubious or incorrect decision by VAR and the whole world blows up, pages and pages of how it’s all corrupt and killed the game. Yet when it gets decisions correct (vast majority) of time , then nothing is said. Just bringing a bit of balance.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I think it’s healthy for a thread to highlight the pros and cons, too often one dubious or incorrect decision by VAR and the whole world blows up, pages and pages of how it’s all corrupt and killed the game. Yet when it gets decisions correct (vast majority) of time , then nothing is said. Just bringing a bit of balance.
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Pretty obvious why people will want to question "dubious or incorrect" decisions by VAR!
 
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