VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Pingu the Penguin said:
The scousers penalty today is a great example of why VAR as it operates isn’t and cannot be a tool to help refs make better decisions in a quick sport (what it was sold as)

The offence is a possible foul involving contact. So under IFAB rules it is a direct free kick offence which attracts a penalty where the player is careless, reckless or uses excessive force in the contact.

The credible view of the incident is that the Liverpool player went past the United one, began to fall, then initiated contact with the united players leg by kicking it when they could have avoided it but in any event whilst already falling to the floor. You can see this clearly in the slo mo. It doesn’t meet the IFAB definition of the offence

A properly functioning VAR system would post incident have the ref view the screen. Whilst the footage is being cued up the ref would be reminded of the terms of the law of the game. They would then view the footage and decide whether it fell foul of the law or not and explaining their reasons

At present someone in a room somewhere makes a further subjective call on a refs subjective call and no one hears any of the reasoning and we get a decision. It really good get much better if the powers that be went back to first principles. All you need is a ref and tech available to him to make better decisions. The VAR room don’t need to be refs. They just need to remind the ref of the relevant law, cue up the video for him to review, ask him to describe the r incident and say what he says, and then ask him to apply that to the law and make the decision. All public transparent and fact and rules based with the ref in charge
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You're making the dangerous assumption that they want it to work... It's been weaponised to help certain teams...
 
So is Madison facing retrospective action due to his act of violent conduct that has been highlighted in the media and was missed by all the match officials yesterday? Or doesn't it work like that any more?
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
The scousers penalty today is a great example of why VAR as it operates isn’t and cannot be a tool to help refs make better decisions in a quick sport (what it was sold as)

The offence is a possible foul involving contact. So under IFAB rules it is a direct free kick offence which attracts a penalty where the player is careless, reckless or uses excessive force in the contact.

The credible view of the incident is that the Liverpool player went past the United one, began to fall, then initiated contact with the united players leg by kicking it when they could have avoided it but in any event whilst already falling to the floor. You can see this clearly in the slo mo. It doesn’t meet the IFAB definition of the offence

A properly functioning VAR system would post incident have the ref view the screen. Whilst the footage is being cued up the ref would be reminded of the terms of the law of the game. They would then view the footage and decide whether it fell foul of the law or not and explaining their reasons

At present someone in a room somewhere makes a further subjective call on a refs subjective call and no one hears any of the reasoning and we get a decision. It really good get much better if the powers that be went back to first principles. All you need is a ref and tech available to him to make better decisions. The VAR room don’t need to be refs. They just need to remind the ref of the relevant law, cue up the video for him to review, ask him to describe the r incident and say what he says, and then ask him to apply that to the law and make the decision. All public transparent and fact and rules based with the ref in charge
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What you describe is commonsense, dear fellow Blue, especially the bit about the impact of 'subjective calls on subjective decisions' but..

..the footballing authorities (including the PL, FA, UEFA & FIFA) using commonsense? That's surely an oxymoron?!

As Ralph Waldo Emerson once put it, 'Commonsense is genius in its working clothes'.

Sadly, I don’t see the top-johnnies in the various world and local authorities, who are all slurping from the cash trough that is modern football, changing out of their expensively cut suits to act with any such commonsense any time soon.. we can but wish, though..!
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
So is Madison facing retrospective action due to his act of violent conduct that has been highlighted in the media and was missed by all the match officials yesterday? Or doesn't it work like that any more?
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I wasn’t aware of this until today but apparently retrospective action isn’t an option if the incident was reviewed by the VAR, as in this case.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Then the lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.
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I mean, it makes sense in theory. Retrospective action was reserved for incidents that none of the officials saw and dealt with on the field.

So by instigating a review, the VAR was clearly aware of it.

The disagreement might come from how he dealt with it.
 
Stephen230 said:
I mean, it makes sense in theory. Retrospective action was reserved for incidents that none of the officials saw and dealt with on the field.

So by instigating a review, the VAR was clearly aware of it.

The disagreement might come from how he dealt with it.
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So, why can they still reverse a red card?
 
My biggest argument for VAR is that they will always look to find ways to improve and evolve. No officiating system will ever please or be flawless. This is another step in the right direction


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Premier League clubs have approved unanimously the use of semi-automated offside technology (SAOT) for the 2024-25 season.

The plan is to introduce the system after one of the international breaks in September or October, the Premier League said.
Fifa first used the technology at the 2022 men's World Cup in Qatar.

It is anticipated SAOT could cut the length of a video assistant referee (VAR) check for offside by 31 seconds.

In a statement, the Premier League said the state-of-the-art technology "will provide quicker and consistent placement of the virtual offside line, based on optical player tracking".

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BlueHammer85 said:
My biggest argument for VAR is that they will always look to find ways to improve and evolve. No officiating system will ever please or be flawless. This is another step in the right direction


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Premier League clubs have approved unanimously the use of semi-automated offside technology (SAOT) for the 2024-25 season.

The plan is to introduce the system after one of the international breaks in September or October, the Premier League said.
Fifa first used the technology at the 2022 men's World Cup in Qatar.

It is anticipated SAOT could cut the length of a video assistant referee (VAR) check for offside by 31 seconds.

In a statement, the Premier League said the state-of-the-art technology "will provide quicker and consistent placement of the virtual offside line, based on optical player tracking".

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Ric started a thread to discuss this, given it is technically separate from VAR.

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

PL clubs unanimously agree to introduction of Semi-Automated Offside Technology

Can only be a good thing this. Will hopefully speed things up and mean fewer dubious offside decisions.
forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk
 
BlueHammer85 said:
My biggest argument for VAR is that they will always look to find ways to improve and evolve. No officiating system will ever please or be flawless. This is another step in the right direction


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Premier League clubs have approved unanimously the use of semi-automated offside technology (SAOT) for the 2024-25 season.

The plan is to introduce the system after one of the international breaks in September or October, the Premier League said.
Fifa first used the technology at the 2022 men's World Cup in Qatar.

It is anticipated SAOT could cut the length of a video assistant referee (VAR) check for offside by 31 seconds.

In a statement, the Premier League said the state-of-the-art technology "will provide quicker and consistent placement of the virtual offside line, based on optical player tracking".

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“My biggest argument for VAR is that they will always look to find ways to improve and evolve.”

Hate to break it to you...,you can’t polish a turd.
 
Looked at all three and honestly I don’t think any of them are stonewall considering how that Tweet has made them out.

The third is probably a penalty for me, he’s come in clumsily from behind, surprised that’s not been given.

The first and second I’ve seen given but I’m more on the fence with. The second I just objectively hate the handball rule at the moment. It’s so disproportionately punishing. Is it handball, maybe? But I never want to see handballs like that given it just ruins the game for me seeing teams getting penalties for basically nothing. Same as the Grealish one yesterday in many respects. It’s never intentional, he’s less than 5 yards away.

The first one, it’s like half ball half foot. Probably wouldn’t give it myself but can see why some would and would probably claim it if it was City.
 
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