VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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KentBlue said:
All of us saw this coming, each and every single one of us, genuine football fans (not those plastic fickle rag/dipper followers who wouldn't know the UK on a map). The way the whole Sly set up has been consistently kow-towing to the redshirts it was inevitable that it would explode in their faces...eventually. And this is precisely what we are seeing here. The sport used to be for us, the supporters, but Sly hijacked it and turned into the fucking Super Bowl: razzamatazz and cheer-leaders, Hollywood style ticker-tape parades and all the rest of the showbiz bullshit.
Pgmol have been manipulating results so that their favourites will always be in and around the top six and in Cup Finals at Wembley for decades to come.

I began to get suspicious when that vile pisscan was at the rags and somehow or other every 50/50 decision benefitted the vermin. Ginger pig being applauded for two-footed lunges on opposition players, and the likes of Tyler and Andy Gray sniggering and saying things like "Paul's back. Good ol' Scholesy."
You'd see the Govan despot striding along the touchline, eager to launch an abusive tirade against an official because something hasn't gone his way, and Sly encouraging it all.


The focus right now is on the whole Forest thing, rightly so: but it's also conveniently covering up the fact that Coventry City were robbed of a cup final place in favour of the verminous rags.
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Great post as usual
 
Stephen230 said:
Forest didn’t ask for him to be removed from the match. There is a set procedure for clubs to express their concerns about appointments and Forest didn’t use it. Just as they didn’t on other occasions when Atwell has been involved in matches involving relegation threatened teams.

They were clearly waiting with their little Tweet for the right opportunity to fire it off. If the Everton game had passed without incident, it would still be in their draft Tweets, ready for another day.
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I thought Forest said that they'd raised concerns about Atwell ahead of that game on Sunday?

For me, whether they did or didn't is irrelevant. If one of the officials supports a team that is in a direct battle with one of the teams that is playing then there's not a chance they should be on the roster for that game in the first place. And didn't City get an official removed from a game at the back end of our 2011/12 title-winning season for that exact reason? I can't remember who it was - might've been Mason. Perhaps @Prestwich_Blue can clarify?
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Tbh I hope the PL twat forest and their owner. Iv seen the replays and they were nowhere near as bad (mistakes) as the headlines. But their owner Marinakis (how the fuck he ended up owning a PL club when all the moan about is City owners I don't know) but he's brought in clattenburg for exactly these headlines about 'ex ref says decisions were wrong".

It's more political bullshit And is something, again, that didn't happen as much, if at all, without VAR.

Ditch VAR. Ditch Marinakis. That guy is a criminal plain and simple.
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Hard to argue with any of that. Funny to see the PL in trouble again, though ....
 
Stephen230 said:
Forest didn’t ask for him to be removed from the match. There is a set procedure for clubs to express their concerns about appointments and Forest didn’t use it. Just as they didn’t on other occasions when Atwell has been involved in matches involving relegation threatened teams.

They were clearly waiting with their little Tweet for the right opportunity to fire it off. If the Everton game had passed without incident, it would still be in their draft Tweets, ready for another day.
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What's the procedure?
 
M18CTID said:
I thought Forest said that they'd raised concerns about Atwell ahead of that game on Sunday?

For me, whether they did or didn't is irrelevant. If one of the officials supports a team that is in a direct battle with one of the teams that is playing then there's not a chance they should be on the roster for that game in the first place. And didn't City get an official removed from a game at the back end of our 2011/12 title-winning season for that exact reason? I can't remember who it was - might've been Mason. Perhaps @Prestwich_Blue can clarify?
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We had other reasons for asking for Mason to be removed. ;-) although his name came up in a different and more relevant context.

Mike Riley specifically said, in a meeting with the Points of Blue group in April 2012, that referee appointments should avoid any conflicts of interest.

Just before that meeting Mason reffed a Utd v QPR game, where he'd made a really bad decision. Ashley Young came from an offside position, then dived for a penalty, which also led to a mandatory red card for Shaun Derry for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity.

QPR were obviously in a relegation battle with (among others) Bolton. Mason was registered with PGMOL as a Bolton fan and it was pointed out to Riley that this was a clear conflict of interest. You could see from his face that this had never occurred to him. If Attwell is a Luton fan, then it's clear that either lessons have not been learned or (more likely) PGMOL don't give a fuck.
 
M18CTID said:
I think it's coming in next season isn't it? Unfortunately, if you're a Coventry fan that's about 4 months too late
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It shows how bad things are with VAR when on Sunday Forest are feeling aggrieved by 3 decisions and then a major one in a Fa cup semi which reprieved the rags being dumped out by a championship side.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The media are influencing decisions by officials. Some incidents are scrutinised and others are not. Why are fans not shown how the VAR process works at Stockley Park. We are the paying customers. It is clear that conversations are happening between officials and broadcasters while play is happening. The TV people get an early steer on decisions for starters. That can only happen if something comes out of Stockley Park.
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How hard would it be to put a television programme together which explain the VAR process (a "who does what and when") with past examples (probably best not to use controversial decisions for this) being played out in "real time" for the viewer to understand what happens and who is actually involved?

It might even help the useless fuckers tighten their protocols and start using 'semi-scripted' professional language in readiness for when they're eventually hopefully broadcast live.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We had other reasons for asking for Mason to be removed. ;-) although his name came up in a different and more relevant context.

Mike Riley specifically said, in a meeting with the Points of Blue group in April 2012, that referee appointments should avoid any conflicts of interest.

Just before that meeting Mason reffed a Utd v QPR game, where he'd made a really bad decision. Ashley Young came from an offside position, then dived for a penalty, which also led to a mandatory red card for Shaun Derry for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity.

QPR were obviously in a relegation battle with (among others) Bolton. Mason was registered with PGMOL as a Bolton fan and it was pointed out to Riley that this was a clear conflict of interest. You could see from his face that this had never occurred to him. If Attwell is a Luton fan, then it's clear that either lessons have not been learned or (more likely) PGMOL don't give a fuck.
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It's obvious they DGAF with the way they are administering the refereeing of the game - More smoke and mirrors than Harry Houdini these cnuts.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It shows how bad things are with VAR when on Sunday Forest are feeling aggrieved by 3 decisions and then a major one in a Fa cup semi which reprieved the rags being dumped out by a championship side.
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It’s only the third one that I think they can feel aggrieved by, I think VAR was right not to intervene with the other two.

Personally I think it shows how bad things are with VAR that they think it should get involved in all three.
 
Victorinodennistua said:
Let’s see how many decisions forest get at the weekend.Penalty anyone?
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thats what gets me.. Everyone sort of accepts and agrees that happens. And its actual manipulation to even things up. It used to happen with refs (Pre VAR) but that was on the pitch, his own thoughts.. If he made a mistake he would then even it up probably with the next decision. With VAR that is now orchestrated imo. Maybe.
 
M18CTID said:
I thought Forest said that they'd raised concerns about Atwell ahead of that game on Sunday?

For me, whether they did or didn't is irrelevant. If one of the officials supports a team that is in a direct battle with one of the teams that is playing then there's not a chance they should be on the roster for that game in the first place. And didn't City get an official removed from a game at the back end of our 2011/12 title-winning season for that exact reason? I can't remember who it was - might've been Mason. Perhaps @Prestwich_Blue can clarify?
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Yes, Forest claimed they ‘raised concerns’ whatever that means. But they didn’t ask for him to be removed. If they had of done, it would have been considered, as all such requests are.

You have to consider though, that in a full round of Premier League games there are 60 officials involved, out of a limited pool. So where should they draw the line?

It was a pretty sure bet that Luton were going to be involved in the relegation fight before a ball had even been kicked. So should an official with a declared interest in Luton be exempt from officiating in games involving any other team who were likely to struggle from day one?

You could predict that Newcastle were more than likely to be in and around the European places pre season. Should that have exempted Oliver from doing any other side likely to be in that area?

This is why there are few hard and fast rules. It is decided on a match by match basis. And clubs are entitled to object to any appointment that they feel has slipped through.

Forest hasn’t formally objected to any appointment this season and asked for a change.
 
meltonblue said:
It does though to be fair, that’s why the thicker lines are applied.
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Thicker lines yes, but does anybody know how thick? Started as 1 pixel, what is it now? Does anybody know? Does anybody know how this thickness relates to the real world measurements on the pitch and the actual tolerances for technological error that this thickening provides? Does anybody know if this thickening emanates from the centre of the line (so in reality only half as thick as advertised)? Are both the attacker's and defender's lines BOTH thickened, or just the defenders?...etc...etc...
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Thicker lines yes, but does anybody know how thick? Started as 1 pixel, what is it now? Does anybody know? Does anybody know how this thickness relates to the real world measurements on the pitch and the actual tolerances for technological error that this thickening provides? Does anybody know if this thickening emanates from the centre of the line (so in reality only half as thick as advertised)? Are both the attacker's and defender's lines BOTH thickened, or just the defenders?...etc...etc...
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Does it matter what they are if they aren't applied?

St Fishfinger in the Dipper's game is the only time I recall it being applied.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
thats what gets me.. Everyone sort of accepts and agrees that happens. And its actual manipulation to even things up. It used to happen with refs (Pre VAR) but that was on the pitch, his own thoughts.. If he made a mistake he would then even it up probably with the next decision. With VAR that is now orchestrated imo. Maybe.
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Not really, all i ever see is .. 'yeh we had a decision go for us, lets see what happens next time'' and then nothing happens. all forgotten.
 
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