PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Two reasonably reliable and well regarded members of this forum, @tolmie's hairdoo and @Prestwich_Blue, who both have good track records on this subject, have indicated that there is a high degree of confidence within the club that City will beat the allegations.

On the 'balance of probabilities' I'd say that was reaon for cautious optimism.

Your talk about the presence or absence of 'proof' is irrelevant nonsense.

100%. And that is where I am too. That is a balanced way of putting it.

I am not claiming letters havent been sent out, I am not claiming tolmie is lying, I am not even saying I don't believe it. I do. I even pointed out where I perceived a 'mood change'.

What I am saying is those two up to interpretation snippets are not proof as claimed and certainly not that we have been cleared.

It is ironic, that people that have jumped to that conclusion and arguing something I never claimed, are the same people that have run away with other daft conlusions.
 
I’ve dipped in and out a bit but I thought he was saying there was a lack of proof about the alleged letters. While I’m inclined to believe they may have been sent and that this is an indication that we will be cleared of the charges it is all still speculative until we are told for def

Bingo.
 
The Pl would have to be monumentally inept to bring charges that are clearly time barred. Are their lawyers really so incompetent?
It’s not as straightforward as that. Whether they are time barred is significantly down to the presence (or otherwise) of associated fraud. If there is an absence of civil fraud then the six year limitation period will strictly apply from the date of any alleged breach, whereas if fraud/concealment are verifiably present then the limitation period commences from the date of discovery, or when discovery could reasonably have occurred. That can only be properly established in the presence of relevant evidential material.

The pre-charge narrative appears to have been characterised by the PL, in light of the Der Spiegel allegations, requiring disclosure of this evidence from the club, which the club flatly refused to comply with, as they felt they were not required to (and in fear of it being improperly leaked/shared) following which the PL were left with a choice of letting it go, or pushing the button. Doubtless egged on by certain bad actors in the form of clubs that don’t require any introduction, the PL elected to take the latter option of embarking on a speculative fishing expedition that would require the club to engage in the disclosure they sought, which has seemingly, and unsurprisingly to anyone with any semblance of common sense, garnered the square root of fuck all.

So it’s not the legal advice that was flawed, which would almost certainly have set out the associated risks, but rather the judgement of the senior decision makers at the PL who notwithstanding that advice, allowed that pressure from the foregoing bad actors to corral them into embarking on a course of action that was misconceived and seemingly doomed to failure from the outset.

They have erroneously called the club’s bluff and are left to deal with the consequences.
 
Absolutely, and I haven't been given the list of names, either.

Others may want to claim or piggyback.

I haven't asserted we have been cleared, only the legals being sent are said to be from a position of strength, which would suggest we have a high degree of confidence.
Yeah, but all that said is it not about time for a new “It’s Quiet” thread? ;-)
 
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Absolutely, and I haven't been given the list of names, either.

Others may want to claim or piggyback.

I haven't asserted we have been cleared, only the legals being sent are said to be from a position of strength, which would suggest we have a high degree of confidence.

Tolmie - appreciate you posting in good faith. In your opinion or to the best of your knowledge - do you think something has changed or developed which has increased our position of strength or do you mean the same position of strength as in confidence we had from the outset ala Khaldoon's initial comments.

I'm trying to work out if the 'position of strength' is purely just posturing or if something suggests the situation has materially changed in our favour.
 
Ok, you go celebrating us being cleared, not much need for the thread. I'll point out we haven't been. Till we hopefully are.
Read the room. There's 1000s of folk on here that have had one of the most precious things in their lives being questioned as cheaters for over a decade.
Truly horrific comments levelled at the club and, by proxy, us fans (actually even directly at the fans).
We now have the 1st chink of light that could bring the situation to a positive resolution.
The light we see at the end of the tunnel could be our exoneration... it could also be a proverbial train coming straight at us (figuratively), we don't know right now.
The general nuance is positive and folk will cling to that.
You may be a realist with ice in your veins not getting too upbeat about things, but please don't preach to the rest on how to process this information.
You do you, and we'll do us, until such point as further information comes to light.
Let's all try to be cautiously positive, shall we?
 
I understand the rules and take your point but a penalty given for a foul committed after the forward has completed his play cannot be right in logic. Perhaps in those situations an indirect free kick would be appropriate. Minus you VAR would probably cock that up too
Never heard of off the ball?
 
Read the room. There's 1000s of folk on here that have had one of the most precious things in their lives being questioned as cheaters for over a decade.
Truly horrific comments levelled at the club and, by proxy, us fans (actually even directly at the fans).
We now have the 1st chink of light that could bring the situation to a positive resolution.
The light we see at the end of the tunnel could be our exoneration... it could also be a proverbial train coming straight at us (figuratively), we don't know right now.
The general nuance is positive and folk will cling to that.
You may be a realist with ice in your veins not getting too upbeat about things, but please don't preach to the rest on how to process this information.
You do you, and we'll do us, until such point as further information comes to light.
Let's all try to be cautiously positive, shall we?

Fair. 'This proves we have been cleared,' is not 'cautiously' positive though. People overreacting to me pointing that out and the pile-on thereafter is not 'you do you' either.

I maybe got defensive in the volume of responses, but it is all good. I've said and clarified what I had to for anyone willing to read beyond their own take. It has been exhausted, and is hardly worth it.
 
No journalist, TV pundit, or Youtuber is going to show their cease and desist letter from City in public. It would be career suicide. They will have all taken legal advice, and will have been told not to comment. So for anyone waiting for proof the letters have gone out that way, forget it.
Evans did though!
 
Wolves fans making money hand signs yesterday. They’d fucking love it if their club had the investment our club has had, and the trophies or club has won. That goes for all the away fans who keep on making the money hand signs. Love it! :-)
Would that be the investment that Fosun made in 2016.

Hypocrites
 
Fair. 'This proves we have been cleared,' is not 'cautiously' positive though. People overreacting to me pointing that out and the pile-on thereafter is not 'you do you' either.

I maybe got defensive in the volume of responses, but it is all good. I've said and clarified what I had to for anyone willing to read beyond their own take. It has been exhausted, and is hardly worth it.
We have all been through the mincer and all we want now is for this whole debacle to be put to bed.
Hope is raised for the 1st time in a long time. Some will run a little too enthusiastically with what's been purported and some more measured.
But we all want the same outcome.
A cleared club is also, in effect, a cleared fan base. We are the tubthumpers that face the real music from friends and rivals and must defend on the hope that what we have been told is true.
To be doing this for so long can fray even the strongest nerves. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the fans have mild ptsd after this is finished. It really is that traumatic.
TH's reports are like water to the starving man.
Anyway, I've waffled on and mixed way too many metaphors in my last 2 posts, so I'm gonna make like a tree, and get the hell out of here now :)
 

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