PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

abu13 said:
I am totally confident that we will be cleared of the vast majority of the charges, sure we will get saddled with a few for none co-operation and a fine but other than that i feel we will be cleared.

I just fail to see how they can prove that we have done anything wrong, the club state that we have irrefutable evidence to counter the charges. We have never swayed from this stance.

I have to admit that when the charges were raised a part of me suspected that they must have found a smoking gun somewhere, this being the case then surely there would have been some form of leak by now.
Likewise if we were bang to rights then I am sure we would have been trying to agree some form of settlement and trying to manage the narrative, instead we are spending money developing the stadium and infrastructure. Add in that our main sponsor is going public and opening up their accounts and all I can see is the club being extremely confident.

I feel there is a good chance of things developing over the coming weeks now that the season has ended, I can see a situation where the PL back down and stories to this effect start to be leaked.

Of course no matter if the charges are proven or not we will still be labelled as cheats.
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There's no balance in reporting either, which doesn't help. I don't recall seeing a major news outlet discussing the impact on the Premier league if we were to be cleared, which surely is a very valid discussion point?

In reference to the emails, just because ways to circumvent FFP may have been discussed, does not mean they were implemented. Perhaps its wishful thinking, but in any business ideas are often discussed via email, before being vetoed offline, in meetings or over the phone. Who is to say the same didn't happen in this case. We've just got to keep the faith that having been cleared at CAS, we will see the same outcome here.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
That thread reads absolutely horrible for us, particularly if (and it seems so) the emails are authentic and not doctored.
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I wouldn't worry too much mate, City have stated they have irrefutable evidence which clears us, there have been thousands and thousands of people insisting we are guilty and yet, we don't even flinch. Lord Pannick, Cool hand Khaldoon at the club are steadfast reassuring players and investors we are innocent.
I'm going to believe them and the many of the knowledgeable contributors on here and in other places, we are in safe hands, lets keep backing them and the team and the others F*CK EM r kid.
 
Bluewonder said:
Didn't Project River just describe Magic Hat's work as 'high quality'?

That doesn't sound like Nick Harris
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It isn't Harris personally but let's just say it has his fingerprints all over it.

The emails look damning but I just don't see why Etihad and/or Etsilat would enter into fraudulent sponsorship agreements involving relatively modest sums in the general scheme of things.
 
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Bellamy's Caddy said:
There's no balance in reporting either, which doesn't help. I don't recall seeing a major news outlet discussing the impact on the Premier league if we were to be cleared, which surely is a very valid discussion point?

In reference to the emails, just because ways to circumvent FFP may have been discussed, does not mean they were implemented. Perhaps its wishful thinking, but in any business ideas are often discussed via email, before being vetoed offline, in meetings or over the phone. Who is to say the same didn't happen in this case. We've just got to keep the faith that having been cleared at CAS, we will see the same outcome here.
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Circumvent or loopholes which aren’t against the rules as Chelsea have been doing recently..
it’s up to the premier league to close any loopholes and if clubs have used or exploited them then tough luck ..
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
There's no balance in reporting either, which doesn't help. I don't recall seeing a major news outlet discussing the impact on the Premier league if we were to be cleared, which surely is a very valid discussion point?

In reference to the emails, just because ways to circumvent FFP may have been discussed, does not mean they were implemented. Perhaps its wishful thinking, but in any business ideas are often discussed via email, before being vetoed offline, in meetings or over the phone. Who is to say the same didn't happen in this case. We've just got to keep the faith that having been cleared at CAS, we will see the same outcome here.
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The content in at least some of the leaked emails seems to suggest we previously carried out the same suggested actions "as per previous quarter" etc.

Whilst that's not a cast iron proof of guilt in itself, wouldn't it swing the balance of probability in favour of the PL without a very plausible explanation of why these emails were written if they indeed were never carried out?
 
ayrshire_blue said:
The content in at least some of the leaked emails seems to suggest we previously carried out the same suggested actions "as per previous quarter" etc.

Whilst that's not a cast iron proof of guilt in itself, wouldn't it swing the balance of probability in favour of the PL without a very plausible explanation of why these emails were written if they indeed were never carried out?
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It had crossed my mind that it would be good if we had a plausible explanation for the emails and how e.g. someone pointed out that was not a good idea and plan Y was the more correct way of doing things rather than just saying there is no evidence this actually happened but I don't know enough about court proceedings to know if that would be realistic.
 
Norman kneejerk said:
It had crossed my mind that it would be good if we had a plausible explanation for the emails and how e.g. someone pointed out that was not a good idea and plan Y was the more correct way of doing things rather than just saying there is no evidence this actually happened but I don't know enough about court proceedings to know if that would be realistic.
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It's not court proceedings for starters.
 
waspish said:
How does he get access to new emails?
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He/she/they doesn't.

I'm not on twitter anymore (it's a cesspit and really not worth anyone's precious time) but are they not the ones about Mancini, youth players and operation longbow (Fordham and image rights) which have been dealt with (at least Fordham & the youth player thing)?

Has anyone posted them on here?
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
There's no balance in reporting either, which doesn't help. I don't recall seeing a major news outlet discussing the impact on the Premier league if we were to be cleared, which surely is a very valid discussion point?

In reference to the emails, just because ways to circumvent FFP may have been discussed, does not mean they were implemented. Perhaps its wishful thinking, but in any business ideas are often discussed via email, before being vetoed offline, in meetings or over the phone. Who is to say the same didn't happen in this case. We've just got to keep the faith that having been cleared at CAS, we will see the same outcome here.
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This is a good point. Some one asking questions about doing something isnt guilt in itself. I ask a questions to compliance periodically and sometimes im told @its ok” or “no go”. Doesnt mean we did anything about said questions. Also worth remembering the goal posts have moved continuously down the years. So what might sound bad today, may have been looked on differently back in 2015 or whatever year it was.

Without any response its half of a story. Jackanory
 
abu13 said:
I am totally confident that we will be cleared of the vast majority of the charges, sure we will get saddled with a few for none co-operation and a fine but other than that i feel we will be cleared.

I just fail to see how they can prove that we have done anything wrong, the club state that we have irrefutable evidence to counter the charges. We have never swayed from this stance.

I have to admit that when the charges were raised a part of me suspected that they must have found a smoking gun somewhere, this being the case then surely there would have been some form of leak by now.
Likewise if we were bang to rights then I am sure we would have been trying to agree some form of settlement and trying to manage the narrative, instead we are spending money developing the stadium and infrastructure. Add in that our main sponsor is going public and opening up their accounts and all I can see is the club being extremely confident.

I feel there is a good chance of things developing over the coming weeks now that the season has ended, I can see a situation where the PL back down and stories to this effect start to be leaked.

Of course no matter if the charges are proven or not we will still be labelled as cheats.
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Only by fuckin morons, so don't worry yourself.
 
A series of punishments put forward by Magic Hat for when we are found guilty of the biggest fraud in sporting history.

Stripped of all honours won during the ownership of SM.

Club to be expelled from the league until a forced change in ownership (quite who would buy it on that basis I've no idea).

Enormous fines to compensate other clubs who have been denied said honours.

That all.seens reasonable enough...
 
Centurions said:
He/she/they doesn't.

I'm not on twitter anymore (it's a cesspit and really not worth anyone's precious time) but are they not the ones about Mancini, youth players and operation longbow (Fordham and image rights) which have been dealt with (at least Fordham & the youth player thing)?

Has anyone posted them on here?
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The alleged rule breaches don't refer at all to youth players, unless I am very much mistaken. Which, of course, I may be.

So, really it's just Mancini and Fordham/ Toure/ image rights. Mancini is a nothing burger. So maybe it's all about the CAS issues that, I think, we all have a good handle on plus something on image rights. Don't know enough about the image right issues tbh. Not sure anyone does. Maybe some PL procedural stuff.
 
A quick word of advice. Don't get bogged down in all the detail that is suddenly appearing from suspect sources, even if it reliably reconstitutes what is publicly available.

No-one knows what the detail means if they don't know what the counter-evidence is. And we have been here before with UEFA. They only had the publicly available "evidence" and it all looked pretty incriminating until it suddenly didn't.

Bottom line. They still won't have access to any substantial evidence that proves the most serious charges and, by that, I mean Etihad. Without that, the true and fair issues go away and so do the FFP issues. Nothing substantial left after that.
 
halfcenturyup said:
The alleged rule breaches don't refer at all to youth players, unless I am very much mistaken. Which, of course, I may be.

So, really it's just Mancini and Fordham/ Toure/ image rights. Mancini is a nothing burger. So maybe it's all about the CAS issues that, I think, we all have a good handle on plus something on image rights. Don't know enough about the image right issues tbh. Not sure anyone does. Maybe some PL procedural stuff.
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No, I think one of the leaked emails that came out after the initial 5/6 that UEFA used was about a couple of young African players playing in Belgium I think? I may have got some of the details wrong there though. I think like Fordham it was all cleared up with UEFA and was never part of any allegation put forward by them.
 
waspish said:
How does he get access to new emails?
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My thoughts exactly! Where have they come from?

Were all the hacked emails released to the public by Der Spiegal? If so, why have these only just been released & how does some internet troll get hold of them
 
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