Keir Starmer

hilts said:
See you can't argue the reasoning so you rely on insults. If someone can't argue based on decency and morals they get narky. You think people who are morally deficient deserve respect? You tell me why Starmer is a good guy, explain your reasoning rather than sneer.

Your whole argument is yeah I might support a tosser but why be mean to me. Err well don't support a tosser then.
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Wow.

After your last response you come out with that first line.

Some people need to take a step back.

Signed, Sir Kier.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
The only thing that counts is getting into No 10, anything else is a failure. Doing it with a majority will be the icing on the cake for Labour as they will be able to act without having to cozy up to anybody else.

Changing the plan and being pragmatic when needed is all part of good business, sitting on your laurels thinking you’ve made it, is not.
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He's fundamentally dishonest. His relationship with the truth is as flaky as Boris, albeit he's a less chaotic individual. I get the pragmatism thing, but Starmer has consistently demonstrated that he will adopt any values in pursuit of power, probably because he lacks any actual values of his own - apart from the pursuit of said power.
 
hilts said:
EU attempt at a level playing field? Oh my god well done on the most fucked up post on the politics forum.
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In response to a post whereby global tax regime work is supposedly a good thing the Tories have done? What work have the Tories done?

I'm baffled. Tax laws should not give businesses in one country an unfair advantage over competitors in another one. And the tax laws of one country should not allow people to escape taxation in another.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
He's fundamentally dishonest. His relationship with the truth is as flaky as Boris, albeit he's a less chaotic individual. I get the pragmatism thing, but Starmer has consistently demonstrated that he will adopt any values in pursuit of power, probably because he lacks any actual values of his own - apart from the pursuit of said power.
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For years they have wanted a decent moral leader, now they are praying that this vacuous lying shit head is really the opposite and once in power will be a beacon of light.

The fact history shows a vacuous lying shit tends to be that escapes them.

I could be wrong and await their examples.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
He's fundamentally dishonest. His relationship with the truth is as flaky as Boris, albeit he's a less chaotic individual. I get the pragmatism thing, but Starmer has consistently demonstrated that he will adopt any values in pursuit of power, probably because he lacks any actual values of his own - apart from the pursuit of said power.
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I had the same thoughts so looked back upon his history. It could be power, that everyone is banging on about to dismiss his credibility, but seeing the reality of where he came from, I’m betting that it’s not the reason, more a means to an end.
 
hilts said:
For years they have wanted a decent moral leader, now they are praying that this vacuous lying shit head is really the opposite and once in power will be a beacon of light.

The fact history shows a vacuous lying shit tends to be that escapes them.

I could be wrong and await their examples.
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He's weak, and weak people desperate for power at any cost are dangerous.
 
Vic said:
In response to a post whereby global tax regime work is supposedly a good thing the Tories have done? What work have the Tories done?

I'm baffled. Tax laws should not give businesses in one country an unfair advantage over competitors in another one. And the tax laws of one country should not allow people to escape taxation in another.
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The EU have been talking about clamping down on tax issues with big companies for decades. They aren't a closed shop or a capitalist wet dream. Any decade now they will make a stand possibly.
 
hilts said:
A village awaits your return
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He turned up at the local labour party fancy dress fundraiser as Citizen Smith and won 1st prize for most convincing costume.

It was only afterwards that he realised they'd mistaken him as dressed as Frank Spencer.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I had the same thoughts so looked back upon his history. It could be power, that everyone is banging on about to dismiss his credibility, but seeing the reality of where he came from, I’m betting that it’s not the reason, more a means to an end.
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If you look at what he said he believed to con the membership into making him party leader and his lurch to the right and abandonment of his pledges since it is clear what he's about. If you think this is just pragmatism and he's going to deliver anything but austerity V2 then I've a bridge in London and some magic beans you can buy. I honestly worry about someone that vacuous potentially having to deal with the likes of trump Putin and netenyahu.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
He's weak, and weak people desperate for power at any cost are dangerous.
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He wants the title, he wants the picture on the stairs next to Blair or Thatcher(either:-)). He wants the detached in Redhill. The audi, he never made anyone laugh, he never even got a strong feeling from anyone. The sad fact is him and Sunak will be quickly forgotten because they appeal to no one except their mums and their toolmaker dads
 
bluenova said:
Ultimately we're never going to agree on this till we've seen what Labour do in power.

I feel pretty confident that Labour will be a huge improvement on the Tories, and I also believe, from everything I've read and listened to, that Starmer will be more radical than the last Labour government.

I assume we both want that, and right now I guess a lot of this argument is hypothetical. I'd be really surprised if Starmer morphs into Macron, but I understand you are a lot less confident, so it boils down to 'wait and see'.
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Two cheeks, one arse.

If and it is an enormous if, Starmer wins and refutes austerity and employs Keynsian economic thinking, then he may turn out half decent, problem is his Chancellor, nutjob Reeves is a neo liberal, she hates the working class,imagine a Labour chancellor hating the working class????? She hates the undeserving poor and her securenomics is Osborne reborn

Labour under Starmer is a liberal left party, and the liberal left do not care about the working class left, He thinks he is appealing to the working class by being anti immigration, all he is doing though is making himself look silly. A middle class fool assuming what the working class think.

I am voting Count Binface, count on the Count, he is the only sensible politician in the country
 
hilts said:
The EU have been talking about clamping down on tax issues with big companies for decades. They aren't a closed shop or a capitalist wet dream. Any decade now they will make a stand possibly.
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But what have the Tories actually done?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If you look at what he said he believed to con the membership into making him party leader and his lurch to the right and abandonment of his pledges since it is clear what he's about. If you think this is just pragmatism and he's going to deliver anything but austerity V2 then I've a bridge in London and some magic beans you can buy. I honestly worry about someone that vacuous potentially having to deal with the likes of trump Putin and netenyahu.
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Interesting question, how would the ex-DPP deal with these people?

As always, I’ll put my thoughts out there and with the understanding that Starmer stands for socialism, I have no issues in voting for the party.

The question is, are you?
 
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