General Election - 4th July 2024

Who will you be voting for in the General Election?

  • Labour

    Votes: 266 56.8%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 40 8.5%

  • Reform

    Votes: 71 15.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 28 6.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 51 10.9%
  • Total voters
    468
inbetween said:
I used to go to the pub with dad's mates, they were all working class and all absolutely adamant leave voters. They were voting for Brexit before the decision was made to even hold the referendum. As a remainer I got a lot of stick from them and it was impossible to get through to them.

They will all now turn to Reform and that sums up what's happening. The mistake that many people make is they believe the working classes are revolting against the Tories in favour of some social revolution but it's not true. The working classes are revolting because they want to move back to the right.

Labour will not win the next election by appeal alone, they'll win it because the right is polarised and split. If you add the Reform vote to the current Tory vote on polling then that's Labour's huge majority is gone. If Farage was to lead the Tories in 5 years then it's only the centrists and the Lib Dems that will make the difference.

It's impossible to underestimate the impact that Farage could have. I highly doubt that he wants to become an MP and he probably won't win but he has been absolutely right about the Tories. We should all be very worried if he does become an MP because that almost guarantees that he could be Tory leader in 5 years time, then all bets are off.

Troubled waters ahead.
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Excellent assessment mate.
 
inbetween said:
I used to go to the pub with dad's mates, they were all working class and all absolutely adamant leave voters. They were voting for Brexit before the decision was made to even hold the referendum. As a remainer I got a lot of stick from them and it was impossible to get through to them.

They will all now turn to Reform and that sums up what's happening. The mistake that many people make is they believe the working classes are revolting against the Tories in favour of some social revolution but it's not true. The working classes are revolting because they want to move back to the right.

Labour will not win the next election by appeal alone, they'll win it because the right is polarised and split. If you add the Reform vote to the current Tory vote on polling then that's Labour's huge majority is gone. If Farage was to lead the Tories in 5 years then it's only the centrists and the Lib Dems that will make the difference.

It's impossible to underestimate the impact that Farage could have. I highly doubt that he wants to become an MP and he probably won't win but he has been absolutely right about the Tories. We should all be very worried if he does become an MP because that almost guarantees that he could be Tory leader in 5 years time, then all bets are off.

Troubled waters ahead.
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I agree with some of what you've said (although I do suspect Farage will win and that he does want to be an MP).

However, there are still many, many more working class people voting for Labour than Reform, and that's before you add in the Greens, and the Lib Dems.

There isn't an homogenous working class who all share similar views, and with changes in work, education and society, most people would struggle to even define who would be part of one anyway.

There were always working class people who were socially right wing, but before social media, it was easier to have broader coalitions supporting political parties. That's part of what Farage is tapping into, but I'd hope he's not got the power to reach far beyond those who are already sympathetic to his views, and I certainly don't think that a significant proportion of whatever is now the 'working class' is close to fully embracing him.
 
if we had a PM with a backbone these 4 would be stood down. How can you take donations from an opposing Party and remain a Conservative candidate? This is the last knockings of the gravt train from them

www.telegraph.co.uk

Conservative MPs defy party bosses to take cash from Laurence Fox’s funder

Multi-millionaire Jeremy Hosking has offered £5,000 each to Tories who sign up to Reclaim party’s key pledges
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
mexico1970 said:
They feel an affinity with them because the arrogant professional politicians have done fuck all for anyone but themselves for decades.

It's time real politicians stood the fuck up mate.
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Get your drift but not all should be tarred with the same brush mate. Farage and his ilk only offer simple b/w solutions when the pressing issues of the day are far too nuanced would you agree?
 
jim tolmies perm said:
Get your drift but not all should be tarred with the same brush mate. Farage and his ilk only offer simple b/w solutions when the pressing issues of the day are far too nuanced would you agree?
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This point of view/opinion has to be conveyed to the population better than it is being done, we have some people on here that think that the Tories are fully fledged fascists, and they really do.

Labour and the Cons need to win the working class back not throw them sneeringly under the bus, that's how Brexit happened. Some of the red book fanatics on here haven't learned their lesson.
 
mexico1970 said:
They feel an affinity with them because the arrogant professional politicians have done fuck all for anyone but themselves for decades.

It's time real politicians stood the fuck up mate.
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Bollocks, before Farage we had Nick Griffin, Farage cottoned on he could make money out of the xenophobic and racists in society and has been coining it ever since, got fuck all to do with the professional politicians as you’d like to call them.
 
inchy14 said:
Bollocks, before Farage we had Nick Griffin, Farage cottoned on he could make money out of the xenophobic and racists in society and has been coining it ever since, got fuck all to do with the professional politicians as you’d like to call them.
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That isn't the point I made though is it? People voted for Brexit because the main parties didn't convince the working class otherwise.

It's no good barking at the moon and getting all angry just because it is what it is, other people have different opinions to you it's a shocker. Anyway here are the important figures on which class voted for Brexit.

We could just shout "Frog-faced fascist over the table for a 100 times or actually address the situation?

Share of votes in the Brexit referendum of 2016 in the United Kingdom, by social grade
CharacteristicRemainLeave
Lower Working-Class (DE)36%64%
Upper Working-Class (C2)36%64%
Lower Middle-Class (C1)51%49%
Upper Middle-Class (AB)57%43%
 
My grandfather was working-class to the bone and barely educated given that he started part-time work at nine years old. Unlike most of his age group, he had no time for church either, he thought it was all stuff and nonsense, though I would not call him an atheist.

Yet he was capable of independent thought and had a moral compass. He had no time for bigots, I can tell you that.

What we see nowadays is mass brainwashing by simplistic, biased and partial media that positively encourages people to revel in ignorance and hate.
 
BrianW said:
My grandfather was working-class to the bone and barely educated given that he started part-time work at nine years old. Unlike most of his age group, he had no time for church either, he thought it was all stuff and nonsense, though I would not call him an atheist.

Yet he was capable of independent thought and had a moral compass. He had no time for bigots, I can tell you that.

What we see nowadays is mass brainwashing by simplistic, biased and partial media that positively encourages people to revel in ignorance and hate.
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The numbers aren't lying are they? Your Grandad had Labour to fall back on didn't he? So you think the way forward is to further alienate huge swathes of the working class by ignoring them?
 
mexico1970 said:
You're an idiot, what always astounds me is just how stupid people throw about idiotic statements involving "Lack of critical thinking" when someone doesn't agree with what they think or believe.

Again, that's how we got Brexit and it's how your stupidity and misplaced arrogance caused it. But carry on Dibley because it's people like you that got us into this mess.
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However much you insult doesn’t affect me.

People who can’t critically think think there are simple solutions to complex problems and are more easily taken in by people promising simple, yet impossible solutions.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
However much you insult doesn’t affect me.

People who can’t critically think think there are simple solutions to complex problems and are more easily taken in by people promising simple, yet impossible solutions.
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The working class voted for Brexit, get your critical thinking head around that. Instead of barking at the moon how's about addressing that issue instead of just babbling some incoherent nonsense about racists?

It doesn't matter if half the population are easily taken in when the incumbent power brokers couldn't do the job of convincing them otherwise because they disregarded them.
 
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