PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Makes me wonder what Khaldoon did to so utterly convince Pep that we were right and clean, that Pep came put and backed us so vehemently.

He must have shown him some absolutely clear and damning evidence that we already had, ready to unpack at the right time..

The only possible doubt around which would be if we had made it up, like for example cutting amd pasting out of context pieces of what people had said...hence that statement about trust from Pep...
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Paid him some on the side.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
Respectfully disagree.

Literally any change in the wind will be picked up by the media.
If city are guilty they’ll run it and they’ll sell gangbusters.
Massive corruption at the head of the football? They’ll be over that that, imagine the stories, headlines, clicks and ad revenue as the premier league collapses!

They are vultures that’ll pick at any corpse if the eating is good.
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Irony: if the PL collapsed, Teabag would be delighted………… But hold on Snr. Teabag, we would join Barca and Real in the superleague.
 
KS55 said:
Yes, the Arsenal letter is just part of a much bigger campaign. They wanted UEFA Rules they said but when that didn’t work, they lobbied for more rules such as associated sponsors and got them.
They didn’t campaign for control of debt, though. I wonder why.
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That’s a really good question about debt. Stefan says it’s perfectly reasonable for clubs to look for ways to stifle competition but as Mario said “why always me!”

Imagine weakening the biggest club in the world but no clubs even raised it…. Strange.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Much as I respect Stefan he's not really in a position to judge yet. I don't think he has seen City's full 165-page documents yet for the APT case so he doesn't know the full context. The texts and emails for the 115 case go back to 2009 well before the Spiegl stuff had seen the light of day and few people know what's in those documents. There is a good chance there will be some embarrassing content. In my experence football club directors are very indiscrete people.
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My only issue with the recent request for PL texts/emails going back to 2009 is there will be a lot, and assessing them before a November seems optimistic. However fingers crossed they do some damage if genuine.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City.
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What about the non-cooperation charges ? If we were able to show that the PLs enquiry was not fair and independent and was being driven by certain clubs or that it was being directed by individuals with links (I was going to say "associated with") a party of clubs acting in concert, and in their own interests, I think that would strike to the heart of the process and, at the very least, provide mitigation.
 
The handing over of emails etc is indeed standard procedure but obviously the juice maybe what’s been said in them emails?? One act or response to a cartel club is enough to fight a discriminatory act against us and would show the club involved as well and responses? Over all them years there has to be something derogatory in there about City surely?!
 
halfcenturyup said:
I still don't understand the legal process behind this request if it's to do with the 115 allegations. You filed accounts that didn't show a true and fair view! No, we didn't and we need to see all the correspondence you have issued about the club to prove it?

Either there is a big chunk of nastiness going on in the 115 allegations that we haven't even considered yet, or it's more likely to do with the APT claim where the PL needs to disclose all its correspondence to defend the claim of discrimination (possibly because the club has provided evidence that suggests it?)?
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I would think it goes something like this:
The PL and the club present the commision with their cases (done I believe) and prior to the hearing the commission then ask questions of both parties as to the proof of each sides case. They will have asked City questions and the PL questions.

But as we know, City are lock tight silent on legal maters but the PL aren't and are now leaking information to.make us look bad.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City. The allegations are effectively that the club fraudulently filed incorrect accounts and did some other stuff against PL financial rules. Not sure how there being a witch hunt or not is relevant. The club either did those things or they didn't irrespective of whether there was a witch hunt or not.

But if we like conspiracy theories, how about this one:

The club knows there has been some correspondence between the PL and a club that, for example, the PL has insufficient evidence to prove the most serious of the 115 allegations, but they are going ahead anyway because that is what the other club wants. The club don't want to disclose the provenance of the correspondence (for one reason or another ;) ) but they want to raise it with the panel.

What does the club do? It counter-claims on an issue that will require the PL to disclose all its correspondence. They can identify all the incriminating documents in that case, and, once documents have been submitted in one, they can use them in the other. If the PL doesn't disclose the correspondence the club knows about, they are in bigger trouble. Win-win.

I like a good conspiracy theory, me :)
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Bloody hell. It’s probably untrue but how clever would that be? You have a devious mind. Ever considered a legal career?
 
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I think UAE are pretty good at this sort of cyber hacking thing. They couldn’t have, could they?
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halfcenturyup said:
I am not sure whether there being a witch hunt against the club at all affects the substance of the PL's case against City. The allegations are effectively that the club fraudulently filed incorrect accounts and did some other stuff against PL financial rules. Not sure how there being a witch hunt or not is relevant. The club either did those things or they didn't irrespective of whether there was a witch hunt or not.
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Think of it like this. Obviously, City's primary argument will be that the audited accounts show that everything's been done legitimately and that should be regarded as conclusive. However, you can't guarantee that they'll accept that argument - one member of the CAS panel didn't, for instance - so you have to be meticulous in devising as many reasons as possible to chip away at the other side's evidence to give the IC as many reasons as possible to doubt the PL's case.

It's highly unlikely that any of the PL's emails that are produced will be blatantly incriminating in terms of member clubs and PL executives conspoiring to screw us over. However, I'd argue that any contact on the subject is inappropriate and I suspect there will be exchanges that allow City's lawyers to portray the PL as coming under pressure from influential clubs to act against City. That can be used to create further doubt in the mind of the Panel.
 
Champions again in 2012 said:
I understand that the request for comms from a number of parties referencing City is standard procedure but it feels like very late in the day for this to be requested now. It could have happened at any point in the 15 or so months since they announced 115 charges (or whatever they are) against City, thus spurring us on to the treble.

It‘s also time for the Premier League or the legal people to step in and put a stop to these tiresome leaks. I think this is possibly the 3rd in quick succession and all to the times newspaper.
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The impact of emails on the Covid and Post Office inquiries has been extremely powerful. You can see the looks of utter disdain on the faces of Inquiry’s chairs when
something beyond the pale comes up. Perhaps even more so when participants admit to deleting emails
 
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