General Election - 4th July 2024

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

They won't as they would have to take the following oath
MPs take the oath by holding the sacred text in their uplifted hand and saying the words of the oath: I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.

Maybe that path should be changed?

 

[KS55]

They won't as they would have to take the following oath
MPs take the oath by holding the sacred text in their uplifted hand and saying the words of the oath: I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law.

MPs who are republicans usually take the oath with their fingers obviously crossed behind their backs.
In any case the GFA requires them to obey the law while working democratically to change it. Fair enough, but they can’t pick and choose and the law requires the oath.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Reform and Greens getting the same number of seats should mean the same amount of media time moving forward.

Hopefully Labour fix the glaring problems with the national broadcaster in this sense. It's the only reason reform got to 4 seats.

Looking at the bbc website I’m not convinced they will….

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fuck off - and when you get there fuck off some more

 

[MCFC1993]

Liz Truss blaming the tories poor performance on inheriting a big mess.from.Labour 14 years ago ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Instead of 14 years, she wants to go back about 14 months, then a few months more and look at the **** who broke the economy.

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

SNP completely delusional…..**** is still banging on about independence despite the electorate telling him to fuck the fuck off…..ridiculous

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Most of my childhood was babbacombe / oddicombe beach during the summer after we moved here when I was a toddler. 20 years after you though by the sounds of time

Beautiful area of the country back then, but once we moved north, it was Newquay and Perrenporth for our hols. The long drive was only made bearable by promising that when we stopped to eat we would eat at places we couldn’t normally eat at home, like KFC! Today, it’d be like stopping at Nando’s as a treat!!!

Life always seemed a lot simpler when we had nowt and a seaside hotel with a ping pong table was considered luxury because you knew you’d be stuck inside out of the rain at least a few days!!

 

[Vic]

Yup. I worked on an industry body with the civil servants dealing with bank regulation. I was not impressed by them at all. I employed an ex treasury guy. He was very good, but that is why he left the CS in frustration.
PS He was an Oxford graduate. While there he had an, er, relationship with a fellow student by the name of Edwina Cohen. Yep, Currie.

Gosh, a rarity. Someone who slept with a woman who slept with a Prime Minister who wasn't Boris Johnson.

 

[KS55]

Maybe that path should be changed?

The one great advantage of a written constitution is that loyalty is expressed to a specific physical document and the ideas therein. So in the US oaths are to the constitution, not the president.

 

[Gray]

SNP completely delusional…..**** is still banging on about independence despite the electorate telling him to fuck the fuck off…..ridiculous

Shown to be as sleazy as every other party. If they got independence who would pay for the things that are currently subsidised by the tax payers of England.

 

[bluemoon32]

Labour will need a few years to settle down and implement things.
Hopefully the anti migrant rhetoric and culture wars can die down a a little now, i suspect not though.

I'll give them 6 months before large swathes of our media turn on them again

 

[dave_blue12]

An unsurprising result.
But let's see a bigger picture for UK politics - Labour have a huge majority from 34% of a 60% turnout.
I take 2 things from that:
1) first past the post no longer works - it's hardly a ringing endorsement for Labour, whose vote share rose 2%!
2) people just don't trust politics in this country these days

Proportional representation is the only way forward, it provides a better representation of the vote and would likely encourage more to vote as they'd feel it could count for something.

(I voted Conservative in 2019, I voted Green this time around as they were the party telling it like it is)

Not sure you can read too much into the share of the vote given that there was clearly a lot of tactical voting.

The bottom line is that with Labour, LibDems and Greens we have a parliament stuffed full of centre left Members.

No doubt the Tories will ramp up their culture wars trying to out **** the cunts (Reform) but for now anyway they are an irrelevance.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

IF they can sort out immigration I think the one policy Reform Plc will fade away.

 

[dave_blue12]

He Co-ordinated a very generous plan. Why the abuse?

You really do walk around with your head shoved firmly up your ass.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I don’t have many kind things to say about the Conservatives and what they’ve done to this country but there are some small things that do give me hope… Robert Buckland’s concession speech was excellent, and goes to show there are still a few Tory’s sprinkled in there who would resist the party’s lurch to the right.

Secondly, Sunak, for all his flaws, knew when he was beaten and is facilitating a peaceful transition of power. This might seem like a bare minimum but you only have to look over the pond to see how easily that will to maintain order in democracy can easily fall apart.

I hope that we now start to address some of the problems that have led to the rise of Reform, mainly the sorry state of public services that has encouraged people to allocate blame in unfair ways. Also the misinformation that is now endemic because of the manner in which people get their news these days and the lack of accountability in media companies.

I think Keir is a decent man at heart. And he’s clearly capable, you don’t get so far in the CPS without being capable. I just hope and ask that he finds it in himself to be bold where it’s called for, and take the actions that are actually going to make a difference in people’s lives. Show Europe the path to prosperity is not through populism but through moderate and honest governance with some solid and compassionate left wing ideas sprinkled in there.

 

[Vic]

MPs who are republicans usually take the oath with their fingers obviously crossed behind their backs.
In any case the GFA requires them to obey the law while working democratically to change it. Fair enough, but they can’t pick and choose and the law requires the oath.

So the only way for republicans to change the law requiring the oath of allegiance is to take the oath of allegiance as a condition of taking their elected place in the legislature?

 

[BlueHammer85]

IF they can sort out immigration I think the one policy Reform Plc will fade away.

Good point.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

The one great advantage of a written constitution is that loyalty is expressed to a specific physical document and the ideas therein. So in the US oaths are to the constitution, not the president.

That may change come November.

 

[KS55]

So the only way for republicans to change the law requiring the oath of allegiance is to take the oath of allegiance as a condition of taking their elected place in the legislature?

Yup. Typically British.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Laura close to tears. Nice to see it pissing down in London, nice and sunny in Manchester.