Altercation at Terminal 2

mackenzie said:
The original attack was horrific.
The one thing that is now of primary relevance re the kick to the head is how the officer perceived his situation and possible vulnerability. That's the main thing, I guess, that will be focused on.
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This. It now at the very least blurs the lines of whether it was retribution or punishment. He has real grounds there to argue he was looking to get control of the situation. Given he has a range of anything from a polite please to use of a weapon at his disposal, the view that he is kicking a harmless compliant guy is up in the air now.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Who the hell would sign up to be a copper in the world we live in… they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t..

You can’t condone the kick in isolation but I haven’t seen anything about this additional video in the MSM which makes the whole situation less clear cut than I though it was…

The police (I imagine) work to a “rule of minimum force” like I did when I was in the military but I’ve been in situations myself in the past where the general brief was to “take your chances early” meaning go with your gut instead of regretting doing nothing later..

After seeing the video at the start of this thread then it becomes clear that this is far from a case of police brutality … the policeman in question will probably lose his livelihood for something that was adrenaline fuelled…

I wouldn’t do the job for a gold watch
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Minimum use of force, maximum intervention
 
If you suspect that someone is trying to take your gun from you, after already flooring you. It’s safe to say you better try keeping them down. That could be by way of kick the head.
 
meltonblue said:
Agree with that once the fighting started, was more thinking the way they approached them in the first place in that second vid, particularly if they were already considered dangerous.
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Possibly in hindsight I think your right, I think at the airport the nearest team would be sent to speak to them if what they'd done earlier had been reported. Unfortunately this time it was 2 WPCs (if we're allowed to say that now) and a Policeman. I don't think any of them expected that sort of reaction and to be fair why would they.
 
I've just really watched the video again. The male copper does an unbelievable job. @meltonblue is right an investigation needs to be happen as 1 male and 2 women is not an ideal response. I hate to be sexist but if it were 3 males things wouldn't have escalated at all. I understand I'll get backlash for saying it but if I were an officer I'd be wanting a 6ft+ guy standing next to me
 
BerkshireBlue said:
this is worth an investigation
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The whole thing just seems odd to me still tbh, doesn’t help its snippets coming out that don’t give the full picture.

Think it’s equally valid so far though to think the two that assaulted the police officers deserve to be in prison and also think there’s questions the police need to answer too for their own safety more than anything. That situation could have been a lot worse had either of them been able to get hold of a firearm and were motivated to do more damage than they already did.
 
Scottyboi said:
Some people need to be put into a fight or flight type situation and have 10 bells of shit punched out of them and see if they can still do their job exactly how it is trained out, with zero survival instinct kicking in.
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Reminda me of in USA when people were criticising please for shooting too quickly in some case when they were put in a dangerous position and they invited some people who criticised to do a training exercise with a very similar situation and all of them fired the trigger, obviously it wasn't a real gun

I don't think it matters how well trained you are, if it's going to be a choice between you getting killed or somebody else, then your survival instinct is gonna kick in.

As for this airport incident, the attackers are scum. It's easy to say why the police fella lost his head.. however the lad was on the floor and so probably wasn't necessary to boot him in the head in that position. So I don't think its unfair to say the copper lost his head while the lad was already on the floor, which he shouldn't really. I've absolutely no sympathy for the lad taking a kicking at all but not sure what the fair outcome for the copper should be from professional standpoint.
 
Crazy stuff. Police Officer no doubt angry, but don't kick the guy ffs when he's on the floor and then the stamp. As far as I can tell the Police not in the wrong until that moment. When emotions run high we do stupid stuff, but the police need to rise above it.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Possibly in hindsight I think your right, I think at the airport the nearest team would be sent to speak to them if what they'd done earlier had been reported. Unfortunately this time it was 2 WPCs (if we're allowed to say that now) and a Policeman. I don't think any of them expected that sort of reaction and to be fair why would they.
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I’d get that if it was just approaching a member of the public with no idea at all but they’re at least going to speak to them knowing they’d just been in an altercation, and they’ve ultimately ended up in a position where the people they were trying to arrest gained the upper hand even if just for a few seconds against police officers that have firearms. That’s at the very least a learning for them, the consequences could
have been far worse.

I don’t blame them for the reaction afterwards, I just think part of thats a consequence of things that maybe they didn’t do right beforehand and my main concern with it is the safety of the police officers themselves, particularly when they’re carrying guns.

Their reaction is nuts too, sure I read they have police officers in their family, what the hell did they think was going to happen doing what they were doing. Unless more comes out (and I can’t imagine what would), they really need the book throwing at them.
 
This incident really has brought out the worst in people. I moved carriage at the end of a train journey today because I was sick of listening to the loudmouth drunk woman connecting this incident to "there were no riots when that soldier was [Lee Rigby] was stabbed".
 
On a side note, quite amusing to see Laurence Fox still blaming the police regardless due to his own perceived treatment by them and all his followers arguing with him.

Just got to keep thinking and hoping anything that chips away at binary thinking is a good thing.

Maybe nuance might make a comeback, it was doing so well until the internet came along…
 
i kne albert davy said:
I've watched it mate thought in the circumstances the officer did well not to do more to ensure he was no longer a threat. The disappointing bit is so many bystanders not one pitched in to give the copper a lift.
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In this video which carries on after the kick, it is clear the offender is not pinned down, there is at that point just him trying to control 2 or 3 males until backup arrives a few seconds later.
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