Altercation at Terminal 2

[Scottyboi]

Do you think complacency happens? How often are the re-training modules? The psych evals?

You, obviously, don't think he lost control and which makes this even more of a problem, does it not?

On about page 2 or something I said he will be punished as a police officer he has to be held to a higher standard. You might not believe it but that guy will be highly trained and dealt with things we probably can't begin to imagine or handle. And now he will most likely be sacked and all his previous good work forgotten about. Is what it is, that is what they sign up for.

 

[west didsblue]

Yep it's bizarre, that's why we need more footage and context really. Doubt the police force want to lose armed response officers, what do you think should happen with him?

Not really up to me. You’ve got to hope that police processes are correctly applied and appropriate mitigations are taken into consideration. I suspect his career as a police officer will be over.

 

[Mon Autre]

I am just astounded! Looking to find a way at to justify it was her colleagues who broke her nose?

My head is actually hurting that you are trying to justify that!

They're not trying to justify it! They're explaining that there's many different ways that someone could have come to have broken their nose in a situation. If people are suggesting that the police officer's treatment of the suspect is fine on the basis that the suspect had callously targeted the police officer and broken her nose unprovoked, then I think it's legitimate to point out that that isn't necessarily what happened.

 

[Bigga]

It's why many police officers would prefer not to be on the beat with a female officer, it's not that they aren't brilliant at their jobs , better sometimes but it's a normal reaction for men wanting to protect the woman before thinking of themselves, it's hard wired into our brains.
I've heard similar things from some male soldiers serving with female soldiers, the idea to protect them is just in a lot of us.
Let me be clear, i am not saying women are weak or less than men, just that a lot of men really don't react well to seeing a woman attacked, it's just more shocking than it happening to a man & can cause men to really lose their minds

I, actually, agree with you with it being 'hardwired' into most men's brains. My own mother was subject to such actions and I terrorised men for a long time afterwards. my own daughters have been through situations and they have told me to stand down when I want rip throats out! I hated every minute of those feelings of them not wanting me to protect them, but I respected their own decisions on things.

Most of TODAY'S women do not seem to want such protection and, therefore, today's man has to respect the reason they choose the job they enter, especially jobs with possible conflict.

It's not great. It's tough to reconcile with. But you HAVE to respect it.

 

[Phil1]

Airports are one place where you know before entering the police won’t be fucking about if you do something stupid and get yourself into any kind of altercation due to the heightened security and overall stress of the surroundings.
I fly a fair bit and for a couple of hours just shut my mouth, keep my head down and get through to the gate with as little fuss possible.
Fuck knows the truth behind how this started but once the police felt they were genuinely under attack and at risk as well as the danger of it spilling over and the public then being at risk they are within their rights to use what measures they see fit to get the situation under control even if that means physicality harming the suspects.
My issue, from what information is out there is that once under control they have to show restraint and professionalism and show that they are above the average bloke in the street who think stamping on somebody’s head is acceptable. They are supposedly trained to the highest degree which I presume includes not showing personal offence when a colleague is attacked.
If we are going down the eye for an eye route then civil unrest is only around the corner.
The guy on the ground may or may not be a scumbag but he’s a scumbag who at the point of his kick and stamp to the head looked like he was no longer a threat and should therefore have been taken to custody and dealt with properly.
In deciding to stick the boot in at that point it shows an officer with ill discipline to do the job properly and he will have to face the consequences of his actions if it’s proved he used unreasonable force.
When you don’t show restraint as an officer in an airport with hundreds of witnesses and phones filming the end result becomes a far bigger issue than it was originally and the whole point of police de escalating a situation has failed.
If this kind of thing became the norm then there would be chaos.
Be interesting to see in the coming days the what’s whys and who’s behind the real cause that instigated the whole thing.

 

[Mon Autre]

Literally nobody has used racism throughout this - apart from the family member who accused the police of being racist.

As for what’s posted on here, it’s just that - posts on the internet of what people’s views are based on what they’ve seen

I think maybe you’re looking at it a bit too in-depth, when all you’ve seen is what everyone else has.

How am I the one looking it at it too in depth? I'm not the one reposting made up versions of the event as though they're facts.

 

[Bigga]

What they hell are you on about - i said i feel sorry for the women who had her nose broken!

Strange.

Sure, feel sorry.

I asked if you would also 'feel sorry' for a man in the same situation and job. Or is it part of the job in context?

It was a simple question. I'm unsure why you're making it bigger than a simple question.

 

[bert38]

Imagine if that incident involved two groups of football fans, with one lying on the floor being restrained by some of the opposing fans, and another doing what that copper did.

Most on here would be calling the perpetrator a shithouse, or something.

We don't know the full context and how badly the officer was provoked. Thirty years ago that sort of thing was (a) probably more common and (b) done without the ubiquitous mobile phone coverage.

But, as we're always told, policing involves the consent of those being policed. And I suspect most of us don't consent to having our heads kicked and stamped on when we're being adequately restrained. The problem with many in the police force these days is that they don't believe the law, and police standards of behaviour and good practice, apply to them.

I'm not sure he was adequately restrained at that point.

I'd add though and its not esp relevant here-but Op Uplift introduced by the tories to hurriedly recruit 20k+ new officers was a mess-many got in without proper vetting, there are some who cannot write properly or even speak english-they are all kids-because the pay has been eroded so much, you aren't going to attract people with a family and a mortgage, often taking a substantial pay cut and deal with all the shite that comes with it. New recruits are leaving in their droves or getting into trouble (its always phones!). The service is actually broken-and needs a complete overhaul otherwise standards will indeed worsen.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

As has happened to 'the wrong man' many moons ago and nothing be said for fear of reprisals from police. i have lived through those times as I'm sure you have depending on where you lived.

There are pros and cons to modern life.

I had it as a kid. Me my m8s and bro went up on a roof in Didsbury, got caught, got an almighty kicking, my cousin ended up being thrown into a batch of nettles by one of them. Imagine that, fkin cruel, just kids, wtf.

Anyone supporting police abuse is either not intelligent enough to realise, or they are just as cruel in their thoughts to others. It can happen to anyone, not just them but their kids, family, neighbors.

And no, we didnt learn our lesson because we were getting caught all the time and this time was unlucky to have a bad one.

 

[bluemc1]

hmmm let me see. A wanted man gets off a plane so the police try to make an arrest and pins him against a wall. His mates then square up to the officers allowing the wanted to to get free and start attacking the police officers breaking the nose of one of them. The wanted dman then gets tasered and twatted in the face for being a dick.

Do I have that right?
And please do fuck off with the decent/law abiding shit, it's a fact that I wouldn't and pretty much most of the UK population wouldn't get into this position

I used to pick a lad up from Woodhouse park to go play Saturday football every week, he was an absolute lunatic with a drink in him, he was few years younger than me so I used to try and have a word
He would get in the car every week moaning about police and how they are cunts and had given him a good hiding and I asked him why does he think I went out to pubs and clubs for years and never once had an altercation with a copper and never beaten up by them and it happens to you regularly?