Alan Harper's Tash
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It’s been the summer recess. It’s always quieter in August.
Parliament returns soon along with conference season. Whatever they are cooking will come out soon.
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Parliament returns soon along with conference season. Whatever they are cooking will come out soon.
Cheadle_hulmeBlue
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Obviously it’s early days, but quite a lot has happened over the last 7 weeks. It just felt like I was listening to George osbourne complaining about labour, when listening to starmers speech.It’s been the summer recess. It’s always quieter in August.
Parliament returns soon along with conference season. Whatever they are cooking will come out soon.
I think labour need to be more positive or at least outline their vision and things they will carry out going forward
Alan Harper's Tash
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We shall see. Reeves is the one that concerns me more than Starmer.Obviously it’s early days, but quite a lot has happened over the last 7 weeks. It just felt like I was listening to George osbourne complaining about labour, when listening to starmers speech.
I think labour need to be more positive or at least outline their vision and things they will carry out going forward
Well said, it's very similar in Spain and Italy as well, elderly care is not at the same level as the UK, many elderly people live with family. I planned for looking after my parents when we bought our house which is on the same Avenue as my parents, I knew the day would come where there'd only be one of them so living very close by made it a lot easier. I did suggest to my Dad we buy a house with his own space so I didn't have to worry about him on his own but his memories of my Mum were in that house, he wouldn't move.You know there are a lot of people who critisce the Muslim community for various things but I’ve never seen an elderly one in care, all the care homes I visited were full of “white” people, they look after their elderly, they buy a bigger house or extend or buy two and knock through. They know once they’ve gone then they will move into that part and so on and so on. What you’ve done is what I if I have to do will do, I couldn’t put either of my parents in a hime and as long as I can do it I’ll bloody well have them. Now I know not everyone can do it, especially when it comes to dementia, but far too many are happy to turn their parents off into a home.
As an aside I sold the house to a mate of mine, he's ripped everything out if the house and Garden, it's like a show home, found some very emotional photos, letters and memorabilia in the loft area.
bluethrunthru
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You really do have a remarkable knack to misinterpret and spout nonsense don’t you?
I think thats a question you should put to the IFS as its their conclusion and I am sure you are far more qualified than anyone there any way
Ifwecouldjust.......
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Yep.
This is one of the reasons I *think* they might leave pensions alone, bar a bit of minor tinkering.
If think major IHT and capital gains tax changes are nailed on though. Only "rich" people have a £1m home don't they, and they don't vote Labour anyway. They can just announce in the small print that they are changing the rules on surving spouses inheriting their deceased partner's allowance, which at a stroke would reduce the zero rate band from £1m to £500k and generate take an extra £200k from those with £1m homes. They would not even have to mention the figures in the budget speech, just position it as a minor change that hardly affects anyone.
No they don't .... there are many pensioners who are asset rich but cash poor. They live in homes that have massively increased in value simply because of the location ..
Eccles Blue
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So should we means test people's salaries/wages then? Because basically having paid for all our working lives our pensions are our salary/wage replacement surely?Tbh I think it’s inevitable that the state pension is means tested-16 million pensioners? Unfortunately it’s only a matter of time
Eccles Blue
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You are being a WUM aren't you??? ;-)Aren’t old people that don’t work not benefit scrounges too?
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I get the tories have left the country in a bad state and labour might have to make cuts or tax rises, but the message so far from labour has been so negative and gloomy.
Obviously there aren’t easy answers, but where’s the positive vision for what labour want to do?
It’s already getting a bit tiring hearing the same repackaged austerity messages we’ve heard before or constant comparisons to the last terrible government.
There have been a few moments where I do think they have shown up the tories, but I don’t think that’s difficult.
To be fair, it's expectation management and the Tories were still blaming Labour for the financial crisis in 2008 as recently as Spring this year.
I will add though, that while it is fine for Labour to manage expectations and rightly blame the Tories, we need them to develop a radical plan and vision to get us out of this hole and share it with the public. It's easy being a critic.
I suspect the objections are coming from the same people who had no problem with Dominic Cummings running the country from number 10 while Johnson wrote his book in between bunga bunga parties.I notice now there is a row about the staffing of key posts in the No.10 unit. Plus ca change.
Chippy_boy
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No they don't .... there are many pensioners who are asset rich but cash poor. They live in homes that have massively increased in value simply because of the location ..
Blimey! In a world first, you have actually made a post I agree with. Staggering, but good to see.
Chippy_boy
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Agree with that. Also telling bare-faced lies about not being aware of the situation is not a great look, is it.To be fair, it's expectation management and the Tories were still blaming Labour for the financial crisis in 2008 as recently as Spring this year.
I will add though, that while it is fine for Labour to manage expectations and rightly blame the Tories, we need them to develop a radical plan and vision to get us out of this hole and share it with the public. It's easy being a critic.
And of course, as for "blaming the Tories" well yes they were in power when we had COVID and the war in Ukraine and worldwide inflation hikes and everything else. So it is on their watch. Whether the country would have been in an even worse state had Labour been in for the past 14 years, we will never know, will we. We can take a guess in 5 years time.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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To be fair, it's expectation management and the Tories were still blaming Labour for the financial crisis in 2008 as recently as Spring this year.
I will add though, that while it is fine for Labour to manage expectations and rightly blame the Tories, we need them to develop a radical plan and vision to get us out of this hole and share it with the public. It's easy being a critic.
I know .... how about we join one of the largest trading blocs in the world.... its on our doorstop and once you're a member you can do away with any paperwork , trade restrictions and tariffs . Not only that ... they will actually contribute to the development of your country's infrastructure (I kid you not) , share energy with you , and provide workers to do the jobs your population are unable to do or dont want to.
I know it sounds crazy ... but its not a bad idea .... right?
Ah, the politics of envy. Envying the poor on benefits.Because that’s what Labour do. You work hard all your life, do OK and the lefties want to take what little nest egg you have off you so they can piss it away on welfare and benefits scroungers. To them any inherited wealth is evil. It’s envy, jealousy and spite. Nothing more.
Chippy_boy
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If only the electorate had voted for it, eh.I know .... how about we join one of the largest trading blocs in the world.... its on our doorstop and once you're a member you can do away with any paperwork , trade restrictions and tariffs . Not only that ... they will actually contribute to the development of your country's infrastructure (I kid you not) , share energy with you , and provide workers to do the jobs your population are unable to do or dont want to.
I know it sounds crazy ... but its not a bad idea .... right?
Alan Harper's Tash
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Partially. It’s also meant to question peoples’ perspectives of who is deemed to be scrounging and who is deemed acceptable to claim.You are being a WUM aren't you??? ;-)
Either way, I’d pay you WFA personally if you are in need of it. National treasures need their own protection. :—)
Trade restrictions such as quotas and tariffs apply to trade outside the EU and can be very harmful to Africa and Asia. See Indian rice, far east shoes, Sri Lankan textiles, Kenyan beans. About time fortress Europe was dropped.I know .... how about we join one of the largest trading blocs in the world.... its on our doorstop and once you're a member you can do away with any paperwork , trade restrictions and tariffs . Not only that ... they will actually contribute to the development of your country's infrastructure (I kid you not) , share energy with you , and provide workers to do the jobs your population are unable to do or dont want to.
I know it sounds crazy ... but its not a bad idea .... right?
Didsbury Dave
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They also took us out of Europe which many believe hurt the economy (and social cohesion) more than all of those things. As someone not tied to any party, I will never forgive them for that, ever.Agree with that. Also telling bare-faced lies about not being aware of the situation is not a great look, is it.
And of course, as for "blaming the Tories" well yes they were in power when we had COVID and the war in Ukraine and worldwide inflation hikes and everything else. So it is on their watch. Whether the country would have been in an even worse state had Labour been in for the past 14 years, we will never know, will we. We can take a guess in 5 years time.
Oh yes, and they completely crashed the enonomy as it recovered. There was that too. I almost forgot.
Eccles Blue
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*lol* I'm not daft, I see what you did there Pinocchio!! :-) I will say thank you though because you are always kind to me. :-)Partially. It’s also meant to question peoples’ perspectives of who is deemed to be scrounging and who is deemed acceptable to claim.
Either way, I’d pay you WFA personally if you are in need of it. National treasures need their own protection. :—)
I wouldn't say I need the WFA but it does mean that I can leave the heating on most of the day when I am in the house. It's just the little extra security. :-)
It's my friends who aren't able to manage, who didn't have a works pension just their SP and won't apply for the benefits I feel for.
BlueAnorak
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Of course - the Torries at least appointed special advisors rather than actual civil servants.I notice now there is a row about the staffing of key posts in the No.10 unit. Plus ca change.
Both probably have gold plated severance packages and pensions.