Banning smoking in beer gardens

mexico1970 said:
How do you legislate when people who see someone spark up and make a beeline to them so that they can cough a bit and cause a scene ?

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Do you mind? Can you do that somewhere else?

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According to a YouGov poll on the policy proposals

61% support the ban overall. 28% against it. With the remainder not bothered.

Of that, 76% vs 21% for outside hospitals
72% vs 22% for outside sports grounds
51% vs 43% for beer gardens.

Worth noting that the proposed ban covers all 3, the discussion here focuses mostly on beer gardens.

Only 10% of smokers would support the ban for beer gardens, but almost half of smokers would support the other two. There is a political spectrum breakdown, but might be a distraction, is neither relevant imo, nor surprising.
 
M23 Citizen said:
They’re all very different issues though.

A driver who drives safely, sticking to the laws of he road and never causes harm to anyone else in his car is doing nothing wrong. But if he causes harm to others through his driving will likely be charged with a crime.
Someone with a knife that self harms only harms themselves, but if he started harming others with the knife he’d likely be charged for a crime.

But your smoking inside pubs may have caused a non-smoking barman’s death from lung cancer that he got from passively inhaling your cigarettes for years for all you know, and that doesn’t see you charged with a crime.

The way they got you to stop harming others was by banning smoking inside pubs. For that alone it was absolutely right for the smoking ban to be introduced.

Even as an ex-smoker, and even at the time I smoked, if someone said there was going to be a worldwide ban on cigarettes, I’d have supported it.
If cigs hadn’t been invented yet and someone suggested introducing them for the first time in history tomorrow, they’re that bad for us they’d never be allowed to introduce them.

Cigs are worse for us than many banned drugs are. Cannabis, mushrooms, lsd and many other drugs are actually beneficial to us in many ways. There is nothing at all beneficial to us in a cigarette.

As for the ban in the open air - smokers are burdening the NHS. Dealing with ailments from smoking costs the NHS £2.6bn a year, and there are around 80,000 smoking related deaths (Manchester being the highest in the country) a year. Imagine how much better than NHS would be if cigs didn’t exist.
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And alcohol.It's ironic that the establishments at the centre of the debate,i.e. pubs,sell a substance which also results in a huge drain on the NHS due to the ailments it can result in. Additionally,as I have heard from a couple of friends in the police sevice,their week-ends are increasingly spent attending to pissed-up gobshites barreling round town causing trouble.If someone invented cigs and booze today,they would both probably be declared illegal.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Stick to the North Stand Expansion thread you boring anti smoking killjoy ****.
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For what it's worth, if the ban does come into play, I will feel bad for you, being denied a place to combine a pint and a smoke in public. I honestly mean that btw, with zero sarcasm, I fully get your take here.

But for every one of you, there will probably be four or five others that will either welcome it, be fine with it, or just not really care. And all their health will be improved. And if it doesn't come, the discussion alone may prompt some pubs to limit it anyway, or people to be more conscious of others. And if that doesn't happen either, then things stay the same, till it is tackled in some other way.
 
Coatigan said:
For what it's worth, if the ban does come into play, I will feel bad for you, being denied a place to combine a pint and a smoke in public. I honestly mean that btw, with zero sarcasm, I fully get your take here.
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You shouldn't though. It's not acceptable for people to shoot-up or smoke crack in public nor should it be for cigarettes.
 
Coatigan said:
For what it's worth, if the ban does come into play, I will feel bad for you, being denied a place to combine a pint and a smoke in public. I honestly mean that btw, with zero sarcasm, I fully get your take here.

But for every one of you, there will probably be four or five others that will either welcome it, be fine with it, or just not really care. And all their health will be improved. And if it doesn't come, the discussion alone may prompt some pubs to limit it anyway, or people to be more conscious of others. And if that doesn't happen either, then things stay the same, till it is tackled in some other way.
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Cheers pal.

A beer garden with a smoking and non smoking area works fine as it is but what annoys me is selfish non smokers do gooder busy bodies wanting smoking banned in open air spaces because they might just get a foul whiff of smoke.

I hope I can stop when I'm ready to and if I do I won't look at smokers in disdain like some third world leper because nicotine is the most addictive substance in the world, IMO.
 
Pretty sure everything that needs to be argued already has at this point.
Probably best to just wait and see what happens. I doubt any full ban will take place and there will be several caveats to anything proposed.
Seems like a subject that people enjoy getting angry about.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
You shouldn't though. It's not acceptable for people to shoot-up or smoke crack in public nor should it be for cigarettes.
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But while it is, it is and I am more than happy to respect that.

Someone previously mentioned here they always ask someone if they mind before they smoke next to them. While it is obvious I hate smoke, if someone in a beer garden asked me if I mind, I would either put up with it, or be the one that moves, further or inside. With kids, might politely welcome their courtesy if they can give a bit of distance , but on my own or with mates, no, wouldn't expecct that. Because ultimately, they are perfectly entitled to smoke there, as things are now.
 
My favourite part of this thread is the people who have never smoked in their lives telling us with 100% certainty vapes will end up being worse than cigarettes. Especially loved the anecdote about someone's mate who was a long term smoker then developed COPD after a few months on the vapes. Of course the 40 years of smoking had nothing to do with it.

Nicotine is addictive as fuck, I smoked from 14 until 28 and only stopped with the help of vapes.

Maybe they will cause super bollock cancer down the line, but I've stopped coughing up black shit every morning, don't have a blocked nose and sore throat all the time, my athletic performance has improved markedly and my clothes and breath smell miles better.

Don't drink so don't really go in pubs anymore but I think people have a right to a beer and a fucking cig if that's what they want to do.

Double the tax on fat bastards and people who spend all day sat at a computer doing jack shit aswell, they put just as much of a strain on the NHS.
 
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