Keir Starmer

[Mr Kobayashi]

Would certainly be a talking point.

They usually use glass tables at those parties?

 

[johnny crossan]

They usually use glass tables at those parties?

I defer to your greater knowledge and/or experience.

 

[Chippy_boy]

In fairness she did apologise for that remark and though I was unimpressed by it, I did think there was some mitigation given some of what she was being subjected to at the time.

I guess 'class' is a subjective quality, but in what way do you feel she is a steaming hypocrite?

Do you not think there's something quite impressive about someone who had a pretty unpromising younger life ascending to the level of deputy PM?

Similarly, putting aside ideological differences, do you not think there's something very valuable about having someone at the heart of government whose lived experience is different from most politicians?

Hypocracy examples: Made £50k profit fom her right-to-buy council houses and now says mouthing off about those who get “loads and loads of discount”; Vehement objection to Tories considering scapping WFA, now defending it; Vehement (and rightly so) condemnation of recent rioters, and failure to do so regarding Muslim disturbances in her constituency. Then there's the extremely "iffy" issue about which house was actually her main residence, whilst she's been constantly banging on about sleezy Tories. I could go on.

Do I think it's valuable about having someone at the heart of government whose lived experience is different from most politicians? Yes, in principle I do. But not her.

 

[threespires]

The chauffeurs/chaffeuses do that stuff below stairs I imagine.

Unlikely I imagine, do you not tend to find that ordinary working folks are a fair bit less degenerate than those further up the food chain?

 

[Eccles Blue]

Nor really qualified to comment. As a denizen of the lower orders I have had little social contact with the upper reaches of society, my only personal encounters with the ruling class were through my old job in the Dept of Education.

Now there is degeneracy..... Dept of Education. ;-)

 

[johnny crossan]

Unlikely I imagine, do you not tend to find that ordinary working folks are a fair bit less degenerate than those further up the food chain?

I'm not really qualified to comment. As a denizen of the lower orders I have had little social contact with members of the ruling class, most personal encounters in the upper reaches of society were through my old job in the Dept of Education.

 

[threespires]

I'm not really qualified to comment. As a denizen of the lower orders I have had little social contact with the with members of the ruling class, most personal encounters with the upper reaches of society were through my old job in the Dept of Education.

Woah! I knew @Eccles Blue had mystical powers but I didn't realise she'd mastered time travel?

 

[johnny crossan]

Woah! I knew @Eccles Blue had mystical powers but I didn't realise she'd mastered time travel?

Caught me between edits - can be painful ;-)

 

[Eccles Blue]

Woah! I knew @Eccles Blue had mystical powers but I didn't realise she'd mastered time travel?

Shhhh, don't tell everyone. They'll want to know the secret. ;-) :-)

 

[PPT]

In fairness she did apologise for that remark and though I was unimpressed by it, I did think there was some mitigation given some of what she was being subjected to at the time.

I guess 'class' is a subjective quality, but in what way do you feel she is a steaming hypocrite?

Do you not think there's something quite impressive about someone who had a pretty unpromising younger life ascending to the level of deputy PM?

Similarly, putting aside ideological differences, do you not think there's something very valuable about having someone at the heart of government whose lived experience is different from most politicians?

You could say the same about Liz Truss who actually made it to the top job.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You could say the same about Liz Truss who actually made it to the top job.

Is that the same Mary Elizabeth Truss who spoke at the libdem conference as a teenager, studied at Merton College Oxford and whose father is an esteemed academic and Mathematician?

 

[threespires]

Hypocracy examples: Made £50k profit fom her right-to-buy council houses and now says mouthing off about those who get “loads and loads of discount”; Vehement objection to Tories considering scapping WFA, now defending it; Vehement (and rightly so) condemnation of recent rioters, and failure to do so regarding Muslim disturbances in her constituency. Then there's the extremely "iffy" issue about which house was actually her main residence, whilst she's been constantly banging on about sleezy Tories. I could go on.

Do I think it's valuable about having someone at the heart of government whose lived experience is different from most politicians? Yes, in principle I do. But not her.

Yes, I've seen these very talking points in the Express, Harvey Jones I think, and then percolated out into other channels. Of course Rayner would argue for example that the WFA situation is not at Labour's door and that it's a bitter pill resulting from the delinquency of the previous government. She'd have similar rebuffs for pretty much everything you've levelled at her.

But that's not really my point. Taking a step back, none of these things strike me as a smoking gun for the level of character assassination and opprobrium that she in particular receives; especially relative to our recent political history and the collapse of standards in public life during the last few parliaments. I don't think I'm really any the wiser why she elicits the level of vitriol she does from certain quarters, but thanks for responding to my enquiry.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Is that the same Mary Elizabeth Truss who spoke at the libdem conference as a teenager, studied at Merton College Oxford and whose father is an esteemed academic and Mathematician?

Christ the apple really did fall far from the tree with her.

 

[threespires]

Christ the apple really did fall far from the tree with her.

I think she's talked about her parents as "far left", her mum was in CND apparently. Perhaps it would have been better for everyone if her rebellion against them had consisted of getting a tattoo and shagging a few unsuitable lads

 

[johnny crossan]

Yes, I've seen these very talking points in the Express, Harvey Jones I think, and then percolated out into other channels. Of course Rayner would argue for example that the WFA situation is not at Labour's door and that it's a bitter pill resulting from the delinquency of the previous government. She'd have similar rebuffs for pretty much everything you've levelled at her.

But that's not really my point. Taking a step back, none of these things strike me as a smoking gun for the level of character assassination and opprobrium that she in particular receives; especially relative to our recent political history and the collapse of standards in public life during the last few parliaments. I don't think I'm really any the wiser why she elicits the level of vitriol she does from certain quarters, but thanks for responding to my enquiry.

To repeat, she's a fake - deliberately using ultra coarse language and an uneducated accent to appeal to the working class vote and in doing so demeaning them. Nobody from a disadvantaged background should want their political aspirations for a more equal and better society characterised and exploited in that way.

 

[threespires]

To repeat, she's a fake - deliberately using ultra coarse language and an uneducated accent to appeal to the working class vote and in doing so demeaning them. Nobody from a disadvantaged background should want their political aspirations for a more equal and better society characterised and exploited in that way.

I don't disagree with your second sentence but is that actually what's happening?

Surely if she was putting on an accent and when the cameras were off sounded like Penelope Keith then the press would be all over it like a rash? Also I've heard some pretty course language in my time but I don't think I've heard her say anything that's made my jaw drop in terms of ultra course language, I suppose the 'scum' comment is the nearest I can think of but whilst not pleasant it's hardly ultra course.

What am I missing here?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I don't disagree with your second sentence but is that actually what's happening?

Surely if she was putting on an accent and when the cameras were off sounded like Penelope Keith then the press would be all over it like a rash? Also I've heard some pretty course language in my time but I don't think I've heard her say anything that's made my draw drop in terms of ultra course language, I suppose the 'scum' comment is the nearest I can think of but whilst not pleasant it's hardly ultra course.

What am I missing here?

Boris lovers hate her, is my take.

 

[johnny crossan]

Boris lovers hate her, is my take.

them too, I agree.

 

[kaz7]

Dealing with the rioters continues today , nine years for one man , cant say he hasnt handled his first big test very well indeed

 

[johnny crossan]

I don't disagree with your second sentence but is that actually what's happening?

Surely if she was putting on an accent and when the cameras were off sounded like Penelope Keith then the press would be all over it like a rash? Also I've heard some pretty course language in my time but I don't think I've heard her say anything that's made my jaw drop in terms of ultra course language, I suppose the 'scum' comment is the nearest I can think of but whilst not pleasant it's hardly ultra course.

What am I missing here?

I think when you come from the background she does as I do, you know that we all make the effort to leave the unpleasantness associated with our upbringing behind as we make our way in life. Remember it of course along with all the positive parts, but don't repeat it.