Kamala Harris

[west didsblue]

It's very interesting to read that, and thank you for taking the time to post it.

For me, Obama came across as statesmanlike and I always loved his speeches. It's interesting to read that you didn't, but I guess thats because you are "closer" and saw it in a different way. It's always a different take when you see a country leader from another angle.

It's obvious why you want Harris to win, and I get that

It's just that she really disappoints (from an "outsiders" view) because she (honestly) is quite vacuous.
I've always expected America's Presidents to be "Presidential" "Sincere" "Truthful" even if I don't agree with it.
It's just that I don't get any of that from Harris.
Sorry

To be honest I don’t give a flying fuck about Harris’s strengths and weakness or whether she comes across as especially statesmanlike, presidential or any other adjective you’d hope to see. When her opponent is a clear danger to not only the US but also the rest of the world the only important thing is that he doesn’t get to be president again. We can judge Harris once she gets elected and Trump is no longer a threat. There is no equivalence between them in any aspect of their potential future presidency.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Careful now.
That sounds like an objective critique of the Dems.

We elect people, not platforms, not ideas, not policies — people. I am a good judge of character, I think, or have been in my six decades on earth to this point. That I knew what Trump was in 1989 is down to luck and direct, specific experience, as I’ve shared. That I know what he is now is down to observations of behavio(u)r that have not changed one whit since then. I was right about him then, and always have been and still am, and whoever doesn’t agree is wrong. Of course that sounds arrogant. Well, tough. I feel no such confidence describing nearly anyone else that way, politically for sure, but not even that many friends or business associates. That’s my confidence level. That’s why I’d vote for a ham sandwich if it ran against him for county dog catcher.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

We elect people, not platforms, not ideas, not policies — people. I am a good judge of character, I think, or have been in my six decades on earth to this point. That I knew what Trump was in 1989 is down to luck and direct, specific experience, as I’ve shared. That I know what he is now is down to observations of behavio(u)r that have not changed one whit since then. I was right about him then, and always have been and still am, and whoever doesn’t agree is wrong. Of course that sounds arrogant. Well, tough. I feel no such confidence describing nearly anyone else that way, politically for sure, but not even that many friends or business associates. That’s my confidence level. That’s why I’d vote for a ham sandwich if it ran against him for county dog catcher.

Home Alone 2 was when he came to prominence for me. I thought he was a **** then. I've seen nothing to change my mind. In fact, everything I've seen of him has only strengthened my opinion of him.

 

[KS55]

Yes, I think she's quite attractive too.

Very attractive. Pity, I’m old enough to be her dad. Fuck me!

 

[mexico1970]

Very attractive. Pity, I’m old enough to be her dad. Fuck me!

She's better looking than sleepy Joe.

 

[KS55]

Trump (or his advisors) figured out a long time ago that generally the American electorate is just not very smart or thoughtful, and pick a side more or less in the same way as they pick a football team to support. Turn them into two baying mobs hating each other with little or no thought and you can get away with feeding hate rather than offering anything solid.
Similarly Kamala can get away with promising change while glossing over the fact the democrats are and have been in power for years.

Last time I looked the Republicans held a slim majority in the House.

 

[KS55]

…….and the Judiciary interprets laws.

Or, in the case of a hand picked, loony tune SCOTUS, just makes them up.

 

[KS55]

Oh, I did see Obama as statesman-like, but thought his worldview was more "solve domestic problems, that's my sweet spot" rather than take a more central role in international politics. To be fair, he inherited the worst economy since the Depression so I get his focus of necessity needed to be internal.

I don't see Harris as vacuous, but I see her as inconsistent, which is a more nebulous word. "Slippery" is a meaner and more unfair one, and IMO doesn't apply here, especially as Newsom has cornered it. Also Harris was a tough cookie, especially as a DA in a verrrrrrry liberal place. But she can also seem devoid of ideas (a "concept of a plan"?) sometimes. Is she narrow? Maybe that's it -- maybe on issues she doesn't have a grasp of, she looks overtaxed or naive. But I also bet she's a quick study, and will take her role as America's leader (if she wins) seriously, and her gravitas will grow as it will need to.

But "Presidential", "Sincere", "Truthful" -- I agree, and Biden was all of those things IMO -- just too old.

Obama’s policy towards the Mediterranean (where east meets west) was disastrous. Thanks to his studied disinterest, Russia now has a naval base there and Syria is torn apart.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

And again -- the Democrats have NOT been "in power for years" -- it's getting tiresome giving civics lesson on how the American Congress works.

This is why I don't spend time on the UK politics threads -- because I'm smart enough to know I don't understand the mechanics over there well enough to add value or to have an opinion.

But if I did, I'd talk about Brexit, which -- were I going to act like you do -- would perhaps convince me that all Brits should forever be completely disqualified commenting on any flaws in the American political system, because you dumbfucks were so stupid that somehow you allowed a 15-word sentence to forever alter your economic competitiveness globally in order to keep brown people out of the country.

But, hey -- I'm not that guy, and I don't think that.

Still, Harris promises change which she is unlikely to be able to deliver which is the point. I think both of our nations seem to be equally vulnerable to stupidity as is human nature. Online stupidity has increased this vulnerability over I suppose the last 15-20 years with the 'footballisation' and polarisation of politics being used to herd folk into opposing baying mobs rather than thinkers.

 

[dickie davies]

She's better looking than sleepy Joe.

Sleepy Joe's wife is a proper GILF though

 

[Bigga]

It's more a response to the comments I've been reading from people who seem adamant that they're two sides of the same coin.

Some people are so driven to make it all about left vs right and their desire to stay between and above both.

And it's all a bit pathetic.

Just thought I'd pop in for a min.

How foolish to think it's about 'left vs right'!! These are MINOR issues looking at the bigger picture! All the billionaire class have done is to divide you people up into issues that take your eyes off them.

If you're fighting about immigrants, you're not talking about why they ARE in the countries the perceived problems are in. Why are they displaced in the first place? Why are they being inserted into cities with a poor and working class demo and then they displace those that were there before them? Why not thin them out into the middle class and rich beltways?

If you're talking about the 'right to choose' life, why hadn't the Dems codified it into law in Obama's term? Biden's even?

If you're complaining about wage stagnation or health, why are lobbyists allowed to work against the people?

So successful is the magic trick of ignoring the wealth discrepancy, you're busy fighting about relatively smaller issues that can be sorted down the line; this is the national issue for the US.

Internationally, all the brainwashed Western people are voting in bad actors happy to destroy other Human Beings, like playing 'CoD' rather than note these are actual lives being lost through just the random act of being where they were born. So, whilst you're castigating people like Trump, I castigate the people that enact regime change directly and indirectly and are bringing nations to the brink of World War. That'll be whoever's in the billionaires' puppet Gov.

All your voting against 'Orange Man Bad', your 'right to choose', your 'right for gender ID', your 'Brexit' etc., it won't matter a jot if countries don't scale down the ramped up rhetoric enabled by the M.I.C. All because billionaire companies like Black Rock are driving the war agenda, the housing agenda and hedging bets by inserting themselves into US govs.

'Left vs Right', my arse...


Enjoy your day.

 

[Bigga]

If you think Harris will celebrate obscene wealth you are well short of understanding her.

I take it you have an idea what family she's married into, yes...?

 

[Bigga]

Trump is running against Harris, not Biden.

Biden is [currently] pres.

Harris has carried on some of the Biden policies on her website.

Biden-Harris have carried on some of the Trump tax policies and carried the border policies forward.

You are naive.

 

[Bigga]

Maybe true. However on the day a billionaire businessman walks in space whilst many on the planet are living in poverty I stand by my assertion that the economic system we have is mainly benefitting the very rich.
As you say she might want to change that.

Unless she raises wages to a more acceptable living standard in the face of rising US inflation, she'll change nothing.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Just thought I'd pop in for a min.

How foolish to think it's about 'left vs right'!! These are MINOR issues looking at the bigger picture! All the billionaire class have done is to divide you people up into issues that take your eyes off them.

If you're fighting about immigrants, you're not talking about why they ARE in the countries the perceived problems are in. Why are they displaced in the first place? Why are they being inserted into cities with a poor and working class demo and then they displace those that were there before them? Why not thin them out into the middle class and rich beltways?

If you're talking about the 'right to choose' life, why hadn't the Dems codified it into law in Obama's term? Biden's even?

If you're complaining about wage stagnation or health, why are lobbyists allowed to work against the people?

So successful is the magic trick of ignoring the wealth discrepancy, you're busy fighting about relatively smaller issues that can be sorted down the line; this is the national issue for the US.

Internationally, all the brainwashed Western people are voting in bad actors happy to destroy other Human Beings, like playing 'CoD' rather than note these are actual lives being lost through just the random act of being where they were born. So, whilst you're castigating people like Trump, I castigate the people that enact regime change directly and indirectly and are bringing nations to the brink of World War. That'll be whoever's in the billionaires' puppet Gov.

All your voting against 'Orange Man Bad', your 'right to choose', your 'right for gender ID', your 'Brexit' etc., it won't matter a jot if countries don't scale down the ramped up rhetoric enabled by the M.I.C. All because billionaire companies like Black Rock are driving the war agenda, the housing agenda and hedging bets by inserting themselves into US govs.

'Left vs Right', my arse...


Enjoy your day.

You'd have thought someone like you, blessed with a third eye to see what everyone else fails to, would have struggled to miss the message.

Some people are so driven to make it all about left vs right and their desire to stay between and above both.

People like you confuse stubbornly sitting at the midpoint of the beam with being on top of the fulcrum.

From your perspective, you're well balanced. From mine, you're way off kilter.

Given that you've spent days calling anyone who disagrees with you an idiot, I'd suggest you do more thinking and less yapping.

 

[west didsblue]

Obama’s policy towards the Mediterranean (where east meets west) was disastrous. Thanks to his studied disinterest, Russia now has a naval base there and Syria is torn apart.

Russia (or the Soviet Union) has had a naval base in Syria since 1971. They have also had an air base for many decades.

 

[Bigga]

I’m glad you respect my post. It is a lot better to debate cordially than to name call, isn’t it?
If I don’t understand your point of view I will ask you for clarification. Same goes for anyone else in here.
I was always that way from early school days. I was never afraid to ask ‘how?’ Or ‘why?’
It didn’t get me into conflict with my teachers and I see no reason why random people I don’t know in here should see it as a sign of conflict either. Rather use me, as certain teachers did, as a guage of how well they were getting their lesson across.

Having said all that, there’s a lot in what you said and it’s not new to me.
Am I bothered? Well yes and at the same time I’ve come to realise that progress comes in small steps and you change what you have influence over.

You seem to argue points in here that are beyond the scope of yourself certainly and also perhaps those with skin in the game of the election we are talking about.

American foreign policy ain’t changing, we can agree on that.
Do we regard it as a democracy at all? Well I do believe I’ve argued amicably that point with some of the same protagonists that you regularly spar with. It is flawed but they are not the only so called democracy that is funded by billionaire businessmen. Unfortunately it is the way of the world.
I used to shout at the moon too, but for my own sanity, I have come to realise the small changes I have control over are where my energy is best spent.

Where you and I majorly differ is, I can see that same self preservation in responses from people in here and I can fully appreciate that at an internal level nationally, for our fellow members from America, there really is a difference between these two candidates and also the two parties and the directions both are heading.

On a human level, I’ve always found Trump a despicable excuse of a man and he has gotten worse with age.
I think he would be bad for the world in general but your point is both are anyway.

I see a difference in where America would head though and I think it is a worse scenario than any current Dem. getting in.

Do I think the American form of politics is ideal? Absolutely not. I scratch my head about a lot of what is regarded normal over there.
I work in the courts over here and doing so has given me a confidence in the objectivity of the justice system here.
I don’t see how appointing Red or Blue leaning judges is helpful, it should be beyond politics. Stuff like that etc etc.

In short, I have no say in this election but have nailed my my colours to the mast in a simple either or, scenario.
I understand that if you were American you would vote independent or whatever choice you may have.
Unfortunately as you’ve described yourself their system dictates to many over there that voting has to be tactical to keep this dangerous loon away from their constitution and regressive policy, if indeed you could call it policy.

It is not as simple as a toss of a coin and as my quite intelligent niece and her equally intelligent American husband explained to me over the weekend, the real power is at local level but the real danger to them is at this presidential level.
They are not the same.

Thanks again for the reply. Unfortunately I won't be able to give an expansive reply as I'd want. I gave one earlier eating into my time. However, ask your American fam whether grassroot funded representatives or politicians win over lobbyists/ funders like AIPAC, interjecting into a democratic process, i.e., people power vs foreign state actors.

Thanks.

 

[KS55]

Biden is [currently] pres.

Harris has carried on some of the Biden policies on her website.

Biden-Harris have carried on some of the Trump tax policies and carried the border policies forward.

You are naive.

What you say is true but it doesn’t alter the fact that he has to address her planned policies, not the soon to be previous administration’s, not to mention state his own.

 

[KS55]

I take it you have an idea what family she's married into, yes...?

I take it you understand the meaning of ‘celebrate’.

 

[west didsblue]

I take it you understand the meaning of ‘celebrate’.

Wasting your time engaging with him mate.
He’s a conspiracy loon who doesn’t have the bottle to say his preferred candidate out of the two is the tangerine rapist.
No surprise when you look at whose videos he regularly posts.