You well know that it takes time-think along the lines of that well known soundbite "Get Brexit Done". And that hasn't even been done in years, never mind months despite us having "sovereignty" and making it exactly how we wanted it to be!!How much more time?
Is it 3, 6, 12, or even 24 months?
He got elected on a promise that he would ‘smash the gangs’ and I genuinely hope he does. But a goal without a timeframe is a dream. Or is it just another soundbite…
But is it a case of Leopards not changing their spots?It is early days for this government, but it is fair to say everybody on here must be at least a little dissapointed in what has come to light in recent weeks. We all expected a bit better than all this freebies and access for freebies stuff. Harriet Harman has effectively said as much aswel. Starmer needs to get his house in order sharpish.
Admit it, you've just finished Johnson's ramblings and got them mixed up. Again sheer hypocrisy.But is it a case of Leopards not changing their spots?
The hope for Labour supporters would be that Starmer's accepting gifts and questionable decision-making are just blips, and once these are out of the way, it will be plain(er) sailing.
But l don't think so. The spotlight does not shine anything like so brightly on the person in the wings, and now he's centre stage, I think we are seeing him for what he is.
He was on the TV over the weekend giving some speech at some factory or other - I only caught his speech not the whole event, so sure where he was. But I was struck by just how much creepy shit he came out with, aimed purely and simply at buttering up his audience. He'll go on to the next one and come out with an entirely different crock of shit, tailored to the next audience.
I think his behaviour, excessive expenses, trousering gifts, coming out with random lame excuses; these are not root causes of current Labour issues. They are symptoms of the man at the top. Someone who lacks a moral compass and who's real prime motivation has nothing to do with making the country better, but is all about him, his power, his ambition, his wealth and his legacy.
I’d be far more concerned if you didn’t.That's only fair. I question your character.
Going to be a long 10 years for you.But is it a case of Leopards not changing their spots?
The hope for Labour supporters would be that Starmer's accepting gifts and questionable decision-making are just blips, and once these are out of the way, it will be plain(er) sailing.
But l don't think so. The spotlight does not shine anything like so brightly on the person in the wings, and now he's centre stage, I think we are seeing him for what he is.
He was on the TV over the weekend giving some speech at some factory or other - I only caught his speech not the whole event, so sure where he was. But I was struck by just how much creepy shit he came out with, aimed purely and simply at buttering up his audience. He'll go on to the next one and come out with an entirely different crock of shit, tailored to the next audience.
I think his behaviour, excessive expenses, trousering gifts, coming out with random lame excuses; these are not root causes of current Labour issues. They are symptoms of the man at the top. Someone who lacks a moral compass and who's real prime motivation has nothing to do with making the country better, but is all about him, his power, his ambition, his wealth. Someone who is arrogant enough to believe he is superior to everyone around him.
You clearly don't understand the word hypocrisy.Admit it, you've just finished Johnson's ramblings and got them mixed up. Again sheer hypocrisy.
I hope for all our sakes it is not. Our country will be bankrupted if this shower are in for that long.Going to be a long 10 years for you.
Get over yourself.I hope for all our sakes it is not. Our country will be bankrupted if this shower are in for that long.
So I'm less entitled to have an opinion than you am I?Get over yourself.
It already was. Tories had set taxes at their highest since ww2 and we have a massive financial black hole. This is due to successive Tory governments being rubbish, including the luz truss episode which was on a par with Brian cloughs spell as Leeds manager.I hope for all our sakes it is not. Our country will be bankrupted if this shower are in for that long.
You have a bias, and a bad one at that.So I'm less entitled to have an opinion than you am I?
We all know we didn't have a £22bn black hole. It's a forecast of projected spend against budgeted spend, out of total a £1.2 Trillion. And of the £22, £9 is Labour spending that the Tories were not going spend and £11 is a ridiculous overseas climate change project budget for dickhead Milliband.It already was. Tories had set taxes at their highest since ww2 and we have a massive financial black hole. This is due to successive Tory governments being rubbish, including the luz truss episode which was on a par with Brian cloughs spell as Leeds manager.
Yes, but we all know labour are the party of high taxation don't we?We all know we didn't have a £22bn black hole. It's a forecast of projected spend against budgeted spend, out of total a £1.2 Trillion. And of the £22, £9 is Labour spending that the Tories were not going spend and £11 is a ridiculous overseas climate change project budget for dickhead Milliband.
So you may have bought into the £22bn lie (I seriously doubt that you have) but no-one other than the few Labour zealots actually have, so we can forget that.
Anyway, putting that aside completely, how ironic that you and the Labour party should criticize the very high tax levels we have already, on the eve of your party increasing them further.
Forgetting the money situation for one moment - do you think the country was in good shape otherwise?We all know we didn't have a £22bn black hole. It's a forecast of projected spend against budgeted spend, out of total a £1.2 Trillion. And of the £22, £9 is Labour spending that the Tories were not going spend and £11 is a ridiculous overseas climate change project budget for dickhead Milliband.
So you may have bought into the £22bn lie (I seriously doubt that you have) but no-one other than the few Labour zealots actually have, so we can forget that.
Anyway, putting that aside completely, how ironic that you and the Labour party should criticize the very high tax levels we have already, on the eve of your party increasing them further.
You have a bias, and a bad one at that.
Labour have inherrited a shit show and will need time to get things right. You (and one or two others) are being totally unrealistic in your immediate expectations and simply piling in on Labour tag lag.
At least when the Tories were being criticised, it was for things they had done, not what people were thinking they might do.
Labour have done some good things and some not so good things so far, but we haven't had a budget yet and already, you claim they will bankrupt the country. Care to explain how
They are addicted to spending money. They will do so persistently throughout their time in office, repeatedly increasing taxes and increasing borrowing to pay for yet more government spending. It's what Labour always do. It's what Blair and Brown did and Callaghan and Wilson before them.you claim they will bankrupt the country. Care to explain how
Christ knows what state the country would be in if the Tories were still in power todayWhere’s the strikes gone from D
He’s absolutely desperate for that to happen- it’s obvious and everyone knows it.
He’s also probably gutted Labour have sorted out the riots, ended strikes in the health and travel industry and tackling the economic damage the Tories left us.
If we accept all that as true, how will it make this country any worse than it has been for the last 13 years?They are addicted to spending money. They will do so persistently throughout their time in office, repeatedly increasing taxes and increasing borrowing to pay for yet more government spending. It's what Labour always do. It's what Blair and Brown did and Callaghan and Wilson before them.
They will increase worker's rights and employment regulations to the point that employers can't grow so fast and don't want to employ so many people, so they will push up unemployment, reducing tax receipts and increasing benefits costs further. More people will be unemployed when they leave office than when they came in. As has always been the case with every Labour government in the past 100 years.
The budget in a couple of weeks time will be just the first step. I fully expect Reeves to announce that she's changing the fiscal rules to allow more borrowing, so it will be interesting to see the market's reaction to that.
How are they doing that exactly?tackling the economic damage the Tories left us.