PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Because the club will have provided it when it suited them?

Only read the rest of this if you are really interested. It's just a few thoughts.....



If this is about external evidence then I think it will boil down to the panel's interpretation of the rules. Guidance was included in 2020 (coincidentally) that the club had to make best efforts (or some such wording) to obtain third party information when requested. When the investigation started there was no such rule/guidance. So I imagine the club's position will be that they can't apply the 2020 guidance to an investigation started in 2018 and there was therefore no requirement to provide any third party information to the investigation. I imagine the PL's argument is that they can (remember the rumours from early 2024 that the club was challenging the application of new rules to earlier periods?), and that the fact that the club provided external evidence to the panel is proof they didn't make best efforts during the investigation.

The precise-wording finding of the Leicester case may help the club as well.

At the end of the day, the panel may well take the view, as CAS did, that if the club had provided the evidence earlier then there would have been no need for the disciplinary process at all and so the club has made a mockery of the PL's whole investigative process. The panel would naturally side with the PL in that case to discourage other clubs from withholding information in the future. I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.

As I say, just a few thoughts.

And all imh and poorly formed o, of course.
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Guidance is just guidance. It does not form part of the rules. And clearly rules and guidance that didn't exist in prior periods is irrelevant. Its also unlikely City are only accused of not cooperating on third party information.
 
slbsn said:
Guidance is just guidance. It does not form part of the rules. And clearly rules and guidance that didn't exist in prior periods is irrelevant. Its also unlikely City are only accused of not cooperating on third party information.
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That's all interesting.

I had always assumed the 2020 (was it 2020?) guidance was specifically to "catch" City when they did their CAS thing of miraculously providing evidence from third parties to an independent panel that would have been useful to the initial investigation. The guidance must have some weight surely?

And yes, I fully get that new rules can't be applied to earlier periods but can new rules on disclosure be applied going forward to an investigation opened under the old rules? That was (probably) what I was trying to get at ....

And on your last point, I had assumed, possibly too simplistically, that the club had complied with all relevant information requests from their own books and records, after the court case. But yes, it's just an assumption on my part.
 
Keeper! said:
Not sure Darren would look this cool

Pundit Jay on X: Big up the 'Kool Kats' the Manchester City football firm from the 70s/80s, mainly black guys from Hulme & Moss Side run by the Francis brothers. They even'Kool Kats' the Manchester City football firm from the 70s/80s, mainly black guys from Hulme & Moss Side run by the Francis brothers. They even
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Is that Rico Lewis on the left does Pep know he smokes!
 
kaz7 said:
This case is happening to ruin us , it is affecting everything as it was designed to do, slandering us on the orders of the chabal , whatever happens we finally know that there has been a huge conspiracy against us
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How is it already ruining us Kaz? They didn’t crock Rodri or cause the injury crisis. We’ve spent good money, albeit on players that didn’t work out. Perhaps less than we would have done, but a war chest for a Pep replacement seems a possible reason.
No injury crisis and we’d be sitting well clear in a 2 horse race with scousers, having what won the PL 4 times since this bollocks started.

Now if guilty and relegated I will concur
 
M12Blue said:
How is it already ruining us Kaz? They didn’t crock Rodri or cause the injury crisis. We’ve spent good money, albeit on players that didn’t work out. Perhaps less than we would have done, but a war chest for a Pep replacement seems a possible reason.
No injury crisis and we’d be sitting well clear in a 2 horse race with scousers, having what won the PL 4 times since this bollocks started.

Now if guilty and relegated I will concur
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True, maybe i am feeling beaten down by the constant efforts to crush us . I do think maybe the players have it in their heads as well
 
kaz7 said:
True, maybe i am feeling beaten down by the constant efforts to crush us . I do think maybe the players have it in their heads as well
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I don’t disagree with that, losing interest in football due to the constant negativity. Would watch football over anything else, now ……..
 
My favourite verse from my favourite poem:
“If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
Or see the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop to mend them up with worn out tools.”
It strikes a chord of relevance to me anyway.
Mr Kipling may have been a City supporter.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
My favourite verse from my favourite poem:
“If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
Or see the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop to mend them up with worn out tools.”
It strikes a chord of relevance to me anyway.
Mr Kipling may have been a City supporter.
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”or being hated, don’t give way to hating”

Have to admit, don’t think I can agree to that one.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
My favourite verse from my favourite poem:
“If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
Or see the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop to mend them up with worn out tools.”
It strikes a chord of relevance to me anyway.
Mr Kipling may have been a City supporter.
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Hold on that’s the speech Mike Basset did
 
Bodicoteblue said:
My favourite verse from my favourite poem:
“If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
Or see the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop to mend them up with worn out tools.”
It strikes a chord of relevance to me anyway.
Mr Kipling may have been a City supporter.
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Yup, Mr Kipling wrote exceedingly good poems.. (one for my fellow Old Gits' Club members!)
 
Bodicoteblue said:
My favourite verse from my favourite poem:
“If you can dream and not make dreams your master
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
Or see the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop to mend them up with worn out tools.”
It strikes a chord of relevance to me anyway.
Mr Kipling may have been a City supporter.
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City will play 4-4-fucking-2.

Well we would if we had a back-up striker.
 
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