Middle East Conflict

Very eye-opening comments/posts from the Jews Of Conscience forum among Jews.

Username: Turbulent Junket
I am Australian. My dad is jewish, mum is christian. I grew up in a jewish school, did my bar mitzvah, celebrated shabbat etc. From very early on, I was told that Israel is a great country, that it is the place where the jews have to end up living, as it is our homeland. My whole family are staunch zionists, any criticism of Israel = antisemetism. Prior to october 7 last year, I had no idea of the situation. I was told that palestinians are terrorists that are, for some reason, no reason at all mind you, fighting back against the state of Israel. However, thanks to alternative media sources, l've been able to deprogram/dezombify myself from being a blind servant to that satanic state. The videos I have seen coming out of Gaza are something I naively thought I would never see in my lifetime. I've broken down a fair few times and I consider myself to be a pretty strong person, mentally and physically. This is a genocide. I find it crazy that zionists are so hesitant to admit this, if this was happening to Israel, are you telling me they would sing the same tune? Of course not.

Quite frankly, l am fucking sick of hearing about Israel. I'm so tired of my family/friends basing their electoral vote in our country off of what is best for that terrorist state. I am tired of hearing they are the most moral army in the world. I am tired of hearing that they are 'defending themselves. I am tired of pretending that because I have 40% ashkenazi jew DNA, I am somehow more entitled to the land of Israel than people that have been living there for hundreds of years. What fucking bullshit is that. I have no connection to that land and my family never have. I'm somehow entitled to come to Israel, immediately get citizenship and live there, but Palestinians have no right of return?

If I speak out, I am absolutely going to be ostracised from my family/social circle. Whenever I try to say ANYTHING critical of Israel, and trust me, the critiques I've told them thus far are mild, they freak out. The worst part is, my brother's family have said their eventual goal is to move to Israel. I love my jewish nieces and nephews and I see them being brainwashed already. I don't want them to grow up in that demonic state, but I fear that I can't do anything about it.

Fuck Israel. Fuck Zionism and everything it stands for. This is the root of all problems in that region. To the Palestinians who may see this post, I am sorry I had such prejudice towards you before. If I was in your shoes, I would be the same, quite frankly, l'd be probably angrier. Free Palestine.
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Username : LTripley
Hey, you're not alone! I'm an anti-Zionist Jew, and like what you are experiencing, waking up to the atrocities of the Israeli state was a bumpy ride. Like you, I have Zionist family members who to this day support Israel.

If I can offer one piece of advice... Don't count on them changing. I have accepted that for these people, it will take the world changing before they do. Instead, channel your energy into protesting, volunteering, and so on. Show up to support Palestine rather than arguing with Zionists.
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Username : MayanMystery
I'm in a similar situation, I also have a Jewish dad and a Christian mom. Although my family was never really religious so I didn't go to Hebrew school or have a bar mitzvah, I grew up around a lot of other Jews and even many Israelis, and was ultimately exposed to similar levels of social conditioning about Israel. Although began seeing the flaws of Zionist arguments when I was in middle school, so l largely escaped much of the indoctrination before it could really take root.
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Username : Phase—2
Very familiar story for me. Grew up from a very early in a far right Zionist congregation. Up until Oct 7th I was on board, and then I found the truth and it flipped my life upside down. I've since left behind the people that I called my spiritual family, and in some cases, cut off entire friendships. I often feel alone and isolated but then I remember that it was my choice and that I did it for a good cause. You're not alone brother. It's difficult to not be able to reach our family and friends but we have to listen to our conscience.
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Username : Gingerpsycho94
I can't imagine how isolating it must be to be the only family member with a conscience. Well done on calling out your family for even suggesting moving to Israel to steal further Palestinian homes. If you can try warning your nephews and nieces of the truth subtly. Expose them to what's happening to Palestine but avoid all the graphic awful stuff. Start them young and break the circle. Keep contradicting your Zionist family members and call them out on their hypocrisy. They will push back at the truth but keep it up. Sadly this is a generational entitlement and colonialism mentality. I'd try searching for activism and social groups for anti Zionist Jews. So you can find more people in the community. Find more books and media on Palestine and keep learning and reprogramming your brain. The amount of social stigma you are about to face IRL and online is going to be huge. So be prepared for a lot of ugly.
Just know you aren't alone. You are so brave. Big hugs
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Username : Fishouttawater6
Welcome to the club. I was raised a Zionist by my Israeli dad and went to Jewish private schools.

Served two years in a combat role in the lOF and it wasn't until October 7 that I opened my eyes and saw what was really happening.
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Airwars Gaza Patterns of Harm

Airwars monitors, assesses and preserves civilian casualty claims resulting from explosive weapons use in multiple conflicts.
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Abridged version of an Owen Jones article on a new report produced by Airwars (part 1), a UK-based organisation founded a decade ago, which tracked and archived the aerial bombardment of so-called Islamic State, ISIS, and other such jihadi groups in Iraq and Syria in particular.


This report focuses on the first 25 days of the onslaught against Gaza, after Israeli president Isaac Herzog declared that “an entire nation out there is responsible” and it wasn’t true civilians were “not involved”, when the defence minister and the Israeli general charged with civilian affairs had described those civilians as “human animals” and “human beasts” who, as the latter put it, would get only “damage” and “hell”.


According to Airwars, at least 5,139 civilians were killed in October 2023. Of those, at least 1,900 children were killed. That is seven times the number of children killed in a single month in any other armed conflict it has studied. According to the report: “It is by far the most intense, destructive, and fatal conflict for civilians that Airwars has ever documented.”


Airwars looked at 606 incidents of civilian harm in this 25 day period. In those 606 incidents, in which at least 5,139 civilians were killed, the total number of militants Airwars found were killed? Between 30 and 58. Bear in mind that the Israeli state claims to have one of the most technologically sophisticated armies on earth.

An academic who goes under ‘History Speaks’ on Twitter has done a piechart graph which exposes the murderous absurdity of this crime.


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Abridged version of an Owen Jones article on a new report produced by Airwars (part 2)

These statistics expose that when a named individual is killed, an average of 14 members of his or her family were also killed. They note this is higher than any other conflict they have documented.

In the first year, over 900 entire Palestinian bloodlines in Gaza - that is entire extended families, from little babies to great grandparents - had been exterminated by the Israeli military.

As Airwars found, civilians are being killed en masse:

“Families were killed together in unprecedented numbers, and in their homes. More than nine out of ten women and children were killed in residential buildings. In more than 95 percent of all cases where a woman was killed, at least one child was also killed.”

They show a graph comparing how many Palestinian civilians were killed in October 2023 with the most lethal month recorded in Iraq during the war on ISIS, during the Battle of Mosul - March 2017, where they find 1,470 civilians were killed by the US-led coalition, compared to over 5,000 in Gaza in the first 25 days.

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This isn’t a ‘war’. It’s a genocide. This is what extermination looks like. There is no attempt to protect civilians from harm.

And here’s a key point. As we know from other conflagrations, the vast majority of civilians are not killed by the violence - by the bombs or the bullets - but by other causes, by the destruction of society itself - from the healthcare system to housing. That is what will kill the largest number of Palestinians in what is, and what must be recorded, as one of the worst atrocities of our age.
 
The blue phantom said:
Starmer, Lammy and the rest are still supporting known War Criminals. Also contributing to children being blown to fuckin bits. One day hopefully all these cunts will be held accountable for what theve been doing.
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They won’t. Unlike the last government, they’ve taken the legal advice and stopped all sales of offensive systems apart from those that have NATO set protocols.

Without going against NATO, basically American, they’ve done everything to say that the Israel government are cunts.

And that’s why Netanyahu confirmed that the UK government are now cunts for not abiding with their policy of blowing kids to bits.

Can I assume you thought the same of the last government?
 
TinFoilHat said:
Shame...

No great loss to the Irish.
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Remains to be seen.
I’ve heard various commentaries, from within Tel Aviv as well as beyond.
Seems Ireland not being a NATO member and being a smaller country/economy, makes us an easy touch. Why not Norway or Spain also, some are saying.

What is most worrying or interesting is what Trump will do when he gets in. What influence has Netanyahu with him and what pressure if any will be placed on our government.

There is growing unrest here about the use of Shannon, by US airforce on their way to the Middle East East.
 
cucumberman said:
Very eye-opening comments/posts from the Jews Of Conscience forum among Jews.

Username: Turbulent Junket


Username : LTripley


Username : MayanMystery


Username : Phase—2


Username : Gingerpsycho94


Username : Fishouttawater6
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This is quite common. My French Jewish friend has got thrown out of social media groups (including the Yiddish learners) for not supporting Zionism. And he's French because his father left Poland and went to France (then managed to stay hidden in Vichy France). His uncle stayed in Poland and died.
 
In light of Ireland’s current diplomatic relationship with Israel and our differences of opinion on international law, I’ve found myself delving deeper into the history of of the state of Israel.

I won’t put up the link until I’m finished the whole 1:30:09 of the interview, but I urge you to seek out on YouTube Aaron Bastani’s head to head with Ilan Pappé, an Israeli born Jewish author and journalist and holy land/Palestine historian.

From roughly 14 minutes on is eye opening and instinctively as an Irishman is logical, perhaps anti imperial, but objectively frames the injustice of colonialism and also the political power of religion and religious aims.

Zionism not only explained but its source comes from an unexpected Christian Evangelical origin and exposed as an outdated end of days, return of the messiah bullshit, that is currently putting the world on the brink of world war three.
 
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