I'm a football fan first and foremost, and you are vastly overestimating cultural differences between clubs at the highest level. They all operate under purely rational business decisions, because sentimentality often means failure.You didn't make an argument. You just said something with a bit of conviction.
And I'm sorry if it offends you but I will address the person when their relationship with my club is almost entirely superficial.
You aren't a part of this culture and should probably keep that in mind before you suggest how it should be reshaped.
I'm a football fan first and foremost, and you are vastly overestimating cultural differences between clubs at the highest level. They all operate under purely rational business decisions, because sentimentality often means failure.
The latter isn’t an option because at least 4 players are at the. end of their time here. So option one it is and thankfully the one the club will take.The dest of the post was nonsense in your head not reality.That has zero relevance. You should address the argument, not the person.
Pep is too stubborn in his ways and these players seems pretty frustrated with what they are instructed to do on the pitch. The team atmosphere is clearly bad. The tactics are not working. The team is barely creating chances, and the pressing game is bad. And accountability should play a role. Winning titles doesn't excuse having a team this expensive and performing this badly for so long. With great power come great responsibilities.
As someone said, there are two options, either overhaul the squad with 6-7 new players, or hire a coach that would work better with the current group. The latter is much less expensive and buys you time to implement a new vision.
The problem is this would have to wait until the end of the season and the way things are going, City will not qualify for Europe which might make it difficult to make the quality signings that are needed. It seems to me that someone more short term is needed to turn the tide.The latter isn’t an option because at least 4 players are at the. end of their time here. So option one it is and thankfully the one the club will take.The dest of the post was nonsense in your head not reality.
Not having the clamour for the eds to be flung in , we have a few new young players and they are a bit lost at the senior players not being able to nuture them, teenagers are not going to save us or have us winning games , ffsBut he could have done plenty differently. He better than anyone knows the mental and physical fatigue the amount of football we’ve played would have caused the players to suffer, yet he still chose to let players go and not replace them and to continue with a small squad of aging players.
He could give some of the younger lads a run out to spare the legs of tired, underperforming senior players.
He could make many, many tactical changes but he won’t.
I think most other managers would have done all of the above, don’t you?
I’m not Pep out either, he’s been the best manager our club has ever had, but he has to take his share of the blame here.
@mdj0520 put it miles better than I did.
You still here begging for us to sack pep, you only turned up these last couple of weeks to tell us we should sack him as it suits you if we did , fuck off telling us what we need when you have selfish intentionsThat has zero relevance. You should address the argument, not the person.
Pep is too stubborn in his ways and these players seems pretty frustrated with what they are instructed to do on the pitch. The team atmosphere is clearly bad. The tactics are not working. The team is barely creating chances, and the pressing game is bad. And accountability should play a role. Winning titles doesn't excuse having a team this expensive and performing this badly for so long. With great power come great responsibilities.
As someone said, there are two options, either overhaul the squad with 6-7 new players, or hire a coach that would work better with the current group. The latter is much less expensive and buys you time to implement a new vision.
There you areProving so far that he really can't do it on a wet Wednesday in Stoke...
The players are not playing as a team. Lack of a leader, cohesion, and probably a bit hacked off with Pep style of play.
You all said he would do three years then fuck off, well nearly ten years later here is is , we dont sack managers like you do , the other poster that said you have a different culture is correct ,you dont know anything about how our club works and treats peopleThe problem is this would have to wait until the end of the season and the way things are going, City will not qualify for Europe which might make it difficult to make the quality signings that are needed. It seems to me that someone more short term is needed to turn the tide.
Another issue is that the players who are not at the end of their time here (Haaland, Doku, Gvardiol etc) are not being maximized under Pep's style. So to me it looks like a good moment to start a new cycle, where a new manager is given half a season as low pressure adaptation period, short term reenergizing the team with fresh atmosphere, get the most out of the current group, reach the CL, then get players in the summer that would complement the current ones in his vision. And I honestly believe that these players need a more quick transition kind of coach.
I understand City fans are very attached to Pep because of the success he's brought but its always better to leave before you become a villain. And knowing how Pep is notorious for his burnouts and needing time away to get his mojo back and then find a new challenge, I simply think its better to be proactive than reactive.
I'll go out on a limb and say that his culture is closer to cheeseburgers than tapas.You all said he would do three years then fuck off, well nearly ten years later here is is , we dont sack managers like you do , the other poster that said you have a different culture is correct ,you dont know anything about how our club works and treats people
He is a trolling **** is what i think !I'll go out on a limb and say that his culture is closer to cheeseburgers than tapas.
Walker as far as I can recall has not even done any press conferences, Diaz has and KDB, but he’s literally nowhere to be seen, if he wanted to lift a trophy before he went it will probably be for worst husband of the yearthe worst is the reaction form the squad was not really there at the news of his renewal. certainly not on the pitch.
our success is built a lot on the togetherness of the squad, the mood in the dressing room, it feels like bit of that is lost as well with mystery injuries, some staff leaving unexplained, even Walkers captaincy bit of a strange thing given how much he fell even in leadership let alone is his private life. did anyone else wanted to step up ad become the captain?
As our current record (since the end of Oct) is P13, W1, D2, L10 and (after Leicester, West Ham & Ipswich) we’ve got Chelsea, Spurs, Forest, Brighton, Arsenal, Liverpool & Newcastle in a row in the not too distant future, I can’t see that there’s anything to be lost from giving Reilly and McAtee the occasional run out, even if only from the bench. One look at Foden, Lewis and Gundogan jogging half-heartedly back as 4 Everton players bore down on 2 City defenders in stoppage time yesterday, says they certainly couldn’t do any worse or try any lessNot having the clamour for the eds to be flung in , we have a few new young players and they are a bit lost at the senior players not being able to nuture them, teenagers are not going to save us or have us winning games , ffs
But we have young players in the team who are getting battered , throwing teenagers into the games you listed is stupid imo . The players we have have to get us out of this funk , the youngers ones we have and i include thor in that know what they have to do and are trying .teenagers with no experience of playing in the first team are not going to help, they might have the legs to run but then whatAs our current record (since the end of Oct) is P13, W1, D2, L10 and (after Leicester, West Ham & Ipswich) we’ve got Chelsea, Spurs, Forest, Brighton, Arsenal, Liverpool & Newcastle in a row in the not too distant future, I can’t see that there’s anything to be lost from giving Reilly and McAtee the occasional run out, even if only from the bench. One look at Foden, Lewis and Gundogan jogging half-heartedly back as 4 Everton players bore down on 2 City defenders in stoppage time yesterday, says they certainly couldn’t do any worse or try any less
McAtee is same age as Doku and older than Savinho and Lewis. He's got experience of the league.But we have young players in the team who are getting battered , throwing teenagers into the games you listed is stupid imo . The players we have have to get us out of this funk , the youngers ones we have and i include thor in that know what they have to do and are trying .teenagers with no experience of playing in the first team are not going to help, they might have the legs to run but then what
I get people are upset but please be rational
But not of playing in the first team for pepMcAtee is same age as Doku and older than Savinho and Lewis. He's got experience of the league.
If we have to wait for the summer we will. In the end doesn’t matter what opinion you or I have that’s what will happen.We will qualify for europe , most likely CL if not europa. No team can qualify for c/l every year forever, at least not in the premier league. Think our 12 consecutive years is remarkable.The problem is this would have to wait until the end of the season and the way things are going, City will not qualify for Europe which might make it difficult to make the quality signings that are needed. It seems to me that someone more short term is needed to turn the tide.
Another issue is that the players who are not at the end of their time here (Haaland, Doku, Gvardiol etc) are not being maximized under Pep's style. So to me it looks like a good moment to start a new cycle, where a new manager is given half a season as low pressure adaptation period, short term reenergizing the team with fresh atmosphere, get the most out of the current group, reach the CL, then get players in the summer that would complement the current ones in his vision. And I honestly believe that these players need a more quick transition kind of coach.
I understand City fans are very attached to Pep because of the success he's brought but its always better to leave before you become a villain. And knowing how Pep is notorious for his burnouts and needing time away to get his mojo back and then find a new challenge, I simply think its better to be proactive than reactive.
Neither did Lewis and Foden before Pep played them a few times.But not of playing in the first team for pep