11 | Jeremy Doku - 2024/25

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Yes a decent Bournemouth side, should we just not count them ?
Of course they count.

The point being, that leaves just 4 more assists spread across the rest of the season, which isn't a great return.

I still have hope for the lad, he just, at the moment, seems better suited coming on for the last 20 minutes or so to wreak havoc with his unusual, chaotic style.
 
The problem with fans expecting him to develop is he isn’t a young player fresh out of the youth system, he's played 220 games now for club and country, the only development we can hope for us is between his ears.
 
You have pretty bad memory then. I mentioned several matches against top sides where he had major impact a couple pages back. Whenever he played the team relied heavily on him to create chances. Analytics confirm it too. In terms of shot creating actions per 90 minutes he was in the 99th percentile.

In retrospect that Bournemouth game was a curse for him because it created unrealistic expectations that he can have that kind of performance every match.

I know he has a lot of flaws that are solely his fault. His passing and shooting is inconsistent, he doesn't make enough off ball runs and has a bit of a primadonna attitude. But Im fairly certain that if the right conditions are created for him in terms of tactics and importance, he could easily be the top assist player in the Premier league.
Mate he's gash.

He's the Belgian Adama Traore
 
Not a name that excites me when I see it in the starting line up, which is a shame. Conversely, even though he had yet to score, Savinho’s is! Go figure!
I noticed this pattern in people's sentiment as well, and I also can't seem to figure out why.
 
Its always easier to resort to cliches than to analysis. Doku has very little in common with Adama Traore.
They both have a super power. One is dribbling at speed and the other is dribbling with acceleration.

That’s it though, their decision making is terrible and are both so unpredictable that their teammates don’t know how to play with them.
 
Tbf Traore is rapid which Doku isn’t, Doku’s more like Saint Maxim, really quick feet but takes his brain a couple seconds to catch up which is then usually too late.
 
They both have a super power. One is dribbling at speed and the other is dribbling with acceleration.

That’s it though, their decision making is terrible and are both so unpredictable that their teammates don’t know how to play with them.
Traore is just a speed merchant. Doku is capable of seeing passes and combines with teammates. Hes not a route one player like Traore.

But as I said before, with the way Pep sets the table, the passing windows in the final third are so tiny that any winger needs to make split second perfect decisions, while also advancing the ball at high speed and anticipating one or two defenders moves. Unless you're an absolutely generational, historically great player, this is very difficult to achieve for specialized cut inside wingers. The best ones in the business, such as Vinicius, Mbappe or Leao are not capable of this either.
 
Traore is just a speed merchant. Doku is capable of seeing passes and combines with teammates. Hes not a route one player like Traore.

But as I said before, with the way Pep sets the table, the passing windows in the final third are so tiny that any winger needs to make split second perfect decisions, while also advancing the ball at high speed and anticipating one or two defenders moves. Unless you're an absolutely generational, historically great player, this is very difficult to achieve for specialized cut inside wingers. The best ones in the business, such as Vinicius, Mbappe or Leao are not capable of this either.
I disagree that he can see passes. I’ve not seen him consistently pick out a through ball or cross.

Maybe it is Pep’s system that is hindering him, but I just don’t see an intelligent player, just a dribbler with no clue what else to do.
 
I disagree that he can see passes. I’ve not seen him consistently pick out a through ball or cross.

Maybe it is Pep’s system that is hindering him, but I just don’t see an intelligent player, just a dribbler with no clue what else to do.
He's not good at threading the needle through congested opposition lines like a KDB or Rodri. But I have seen him play through balls for Belgium to Lukaku where the defenses are not as packed. Crossing is a different matter altogether - a lot of the time he crosses it in the right area but for some reason nobody is there to receive it.

Criticising Doku (or Savinho) for not being a great through ball passer like Rodri is like criticizing Rodri for not being able to beat his man the way Doku does. Thats why there are different positions, for different skillsets.

My issue with Doku is the lack of off ball positional space instinct (so not passing but receiving the ball) and the poor motor which is a combination of poor stamina and possibly determination. Hes a good enough passer and shooter for his profile when its there for the taking. The problem is its not often enough and being a volume creator it means you need to increase the volume.
 
He's not good at threading the needle through congested opposition lines like a KDB or Rodri. But I have seen him play through balls for Belgium to Lukaku where the defenses are not as packed. Crossing is a different matter altogether - a lot of the time he crosses it in the right area but for some reason nobody is there to receive it.

Criticising Doku (or Savinho) for not being a great through ball passer like Rodri is like criticizing Rodri for not being able to beat his man the way Doku does. Thats why there are different positions, for different skillsets.

My issue with Doku is the lack of off ball positional space instinct (so not passing but receiving the ball) and the poor motor which is a combination of poor stamina and possibly determination. Hes a good enough passer and shooter for his profile when its there for the taking. The problem is its not often enough and being a volume creator it means you need to increase the volume.
Whatever the issues are, it isn’t working for us at the moment. I live in hope that his output will improve, but don’t expect it to.
 
Whatever the issues are, it isn’t working for us at the moment. I live in hope that his output will improve, but don’t expect it to.
I agree its not. But you need a diagnosis in order to come up with a cure. For example Jeremy has been focusing intensely on strength and agility in the last couple of years, at the cost of pace and stamina. And that was the wrong strategy if the goal was to improve physically.
 
I agree its not. But you need a diagnosis in order to come up with a cure. For example Jeremy has been focusing intensely on strength and agility in the last couple of years, at the cost of pace and stamina. And that was the wrong strategy if the goal was to improve physically.
Fans would give him more slack if he win games for us. His conditioning is one thing, but the thing he needs to improve is between his ears, not strength nor stamina.
 
Fans would give him more slack if he win games for us. His conditioning is one thing, but the thing he needs to improve is between his ears, not strength nor stamina.
You can't improve your brain beyond a certain level no matter what you do. But you said his passing is not good, which I disagreed with. Even his assist to Bernie yesterday was a through ball. Players like Vinicius or Leao don't have better passing ability, but they play in a more direct system. Im saying if he plays in a situation that would suit him (like Vini) he would need a better motor not better brain.
 
You can't improve your brain beyond a certain level no matter what you do. But you said his passing is not good, which I disagreed with. Even his assist to Bernie yesterday was a through ball. Players like Vinicius or Leao don't have better passing ability, but they play in a more direct system. Im saying if he plays in a situation that would suit him (like Vini) he would need a better motor not better brain.
Hmm, Sterling learnt how to score 15 goals each season at the back post. It is possible to learn to become better.

He can play through balls, it’s just that about 1 in 10 result in a chance being created at present. If he could make that 5 in 10, he’d become a superstar.
 
Hmm, Sterling learnt how to score 15 goals each season at the back post. It is possible to learn to become better.

He can play through balls, it’s just that about 1 in 10 result in a chance being created at present. If he could make that 5 in 10, he’d become a superstar.
Thats tactical instructions. A coach sees that a player has good instincts for finding space off the ball and he tells him to do that more often (and probably shows him more situations in which he could do it). But for Doku that takes away his best attribute which is on ball ability. At his best hes an assist getter, not a goalscorer.

For me Doku just needs to run more. If you can't run smarter, then just run more. But he has poor engine and cannot sustain his top speed. The problem is not his brain, its his heart (regardless of whether in physical or mental sense of the meaning)
 
Two matches in a row where he didn't get a single minute. Rightfully so after that Everton match where he was anonymous, as were many in the season so far from him. Savinho managed to establish better connection with Haaland in two games than Doku did in two seasons and has rightfully overtaken him in the pecking order.

Whatever Doku's issue is, he can't escape the fact that he hasn't improved at all in a year, and in fact likely regressed in terms of speed and creativity. He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that if he continues to approach the game the way he is currently doing, he will be out of Manchester very soon.
 
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