Russian invasion of Ukraine

One thing we should be doing is telling the Yanks to take all their nuclear missiles, strategic bombers and other equipment off European soil if this is the direction on foreign policy they want to pursue. They’ve used us as buffer for any attack from Russia and China for too long if they are deciding to abandon a country that’s

You do understand this was an invasion right?
Putin wants the whole of the Ukraine and all history of Ukraine deleted.
Putin can stop tomorrow and go home. If the Ukraine stops, it no longer exists. Ukrainians would rather be dead than live under Putin. Putin's/Trump's language has tried to make out the Ukraine was somehow the aggressor.
It's their choice whether to keep fighting, try to agree a peace deal or surrender, not yours.

You are incredibly naive when it comes to Putin. This guys has never kept to a single agreement.
So any peace deal HAS to have a deterrent. A solid guarantee from the US and others that would prevent this happening all over again if Putin re-arms and has another go. That is all Zelensky was asking for. Have the minerals, but put in a security backstop. Trump doesn't want this as i think he has other ideas...maybe a carve up?

This simpler way would be to further arm the Ukraine and stop any restrictions how to use those arms. More sanctions on other nations supplying this murderer.
Then wait until Russia runs out of money and arms/meat. As a minimum, it would also weaken Russia in any future peace agreements.
Yes that does mean more deaths, but with Putin gone, he can never come back for more.

I will say it again though, this should be the Ukrainians deciding what they want, NOT Trump or anybody else.M

You do understand this was an invasion right?
Putin wants the whole of the Ukraine and all history of Ukraine deleted.
Putin can stop tomorrow and go home. If the Ukraine stops, it no longer exists. Ukrainians would rather be dead than live under Putin. Putin's/Trump's language has tried to make out the Ukraine was somehow the aggressor.
It's their choice whether to keep fighting, try to agree a peace deal or surrender, not yours.

You are incredibly naive when it comes to Putin. This guys has never kept to a single agreement.
So any peace deal HAS to have a deterrent. A solid guarantee from the US and others that would prevent this happening all over again if Putin re-arms and has another go. That is all Zelensky was asking for. Have the minerals, but put in a security backstop. Trump doesn't want this as i think he has other ideas...maybe a carve up?

This simpler way would be to further arm the Ukraine and stop any restrictions how to use those arms. More sanctions on other nations supplying this murderer.
Then wait until Russia runs out of money and arms/meat. As a minimum, it would also weaken Russia in any future peace agreements.
Yes that does mean more deaths, but with Putin gone, he can never come back for more.

I will say it again though, this should be the Ukrainians deciding what they want, NOT Trump or anybody else.
To weaken him is what they are trying to do I see that. Weaken him for good, but there are countries who won’t let that happen, then we’re all in trouble. The Ukrainians need to sort this out round the table. Trump needs to get him back along with the EU and thrash it out.
 
We making another 2.6 billion towards the 5 billion plus we have already gave them I have no problem with that but when you look at other countries like Germany 3.5b Spain 1b we seem to be more serious about helping them!
 
Not saying that at all, it’s a whole lot of other things. My two aunts whose 18 year old boyfriends were killed in WW1, who never married and spent their lives as spinsters, all the other young men who’ve sloped off to war at other people’s bidding to come back ruined. War is terrible I don’t believe we are in danger.
You should Google “and then they came for me.”

The whole idea of alliances is to provide not only a deterrent against an aggressor, but the strength to stand up and defeat one should they be so bold.

There’s a reason Putin demands that Ukraine not be a NATO member. There’s a reason Zelenskyy wants guarantees from western powers. It’s not because Zelenskyy wants a war!

War is terrible and, if you live in the UK, there’s a good chance you’d be speaking German now if Japan hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbor and allied itself with Germany…but the American homeland wasn’t in any danger from Hitler!
 
But who’s driving all this hate. You can’t impose your ideologies on other countries, absolutely. But that’s it, no one is doing that to us. We are told about these horrible people by the MSM but apart from the country getting much poorer by the week, we’ve only their word for it. We are played all the time, hate whipped up, give more money away. We’ll see where it all ends.
We don't just have the MSM (such a good MAGA term). We have governments, charities, research organisations, international criminal court, the UN etc etc etc.

On the other side - Putin, Trump, Vance etc

I don't need the mainstream media to tell me that if Putin has moved into Ukrainian territory without the permission of Ukraine they are the aggressor in this.
 
So you're happy for Ukranians to be wiped off the map. Where is your red line when Putin wants another piece of Europe?

I think you need to wise up blue
No, no that’s not what I want at all. He has to be stopped, somehow. The Ukrainians need to get back round the table. Maybe an election would sort it I don’t know how the whole country feels.
 
But who’s driving all this hate. You can’t impose your ideologies on other countries, absolutely. But that’s it, no one is doing that to us. We are told about these horrible people by the MSM but apart from the country getting much poorer by the week, we’ve only their word for it. We are played all the time, hate whipped up, give more money away. We’ll see where it all ends.
This fucker Putin simply can't be trusted, you must see that?

Look at the people he has eliminated/murdered who go against him and call him out.
 
But who’s driving all this hate. You can’t impose your ideologies on other countries, absolutely. But that’s it, no one is doing that to us. We are told about these horrible people by the MSM but apart from the country getting much poorer by the week, we’ve only their word for it. We are played all the time, hate whipped up, give more money away. We’ll see where it all ends.

The Russians are at it every day with their planes, subs, boats and cyber attacks on our territory. Alongside their illegal annexation of Ukraine it’s a joined up campaign to put fear into Europe to be passive, so they are absolutely doing it to us. They get a ceasefire it will give them time to regroup and come back for Ukraine and have a pop at the Baltic states, if that happens.

Do you not believe that Russia has invaded a European country and has bad intentions towards the United Kngdom? I don’t need to watch mainstream media to form that opinion.
 
To weaken him is what they are trying to do I see that. Weaken him for good, but there are countries who won’t let that happen, then we’re all in trouble. The Ukrainians need to sort this out round the table. Trump needs to get him back along with the EU and thrash it out.
Who are these countries who won’t allow Putin to be weakened? And, isn’t it just Putin we all want gone, not Russia? Who is trying to invade Russia?

The level of appeasement is absolutely sickening.

War is bad! Don’t fight, someone will get hurt!

What do you think is happening right now?? Where do you think those thousands of children have been disappeared to? What EXACTLY is YOUR threshold for throwing a punch?
 
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We don't just have the MSM (such a good MAGA term). We have governments, charities, research organisations, international criminal court, the UN etc etc etc.

On the other side - Putin, Trump, Vance etc

I don't need the mainstream media to tell me that if Putin has moved into Ukrainian territory without the permission of Ukraine they are the aggressor in this.
MSM ‘a MAGA term’ don’t know where you get that from? I know he’s the aggressor. We need a solution without a war.
 
MSM ‘a MAGA term’ don’t know where you get that from? I know he’s the aggressor. We need a solution without a war.
Which is exactly what Europe and Ukraine are working towards. There is actually a war right now, and Russia needs to play their part in ending it as well.
 
To weaken him is what they are trying to do I see that. Weaken him for good, but there are countries who won’t let that happen, then we’re all in trouble. The Ukrainians need to sort this out round the table. Trump needs to get him back along with the EU and thrash it out.
Your naivity is showing if you honestly believe Trump wants to genuinely stop the war
 
The Russians are at it every day with their planes, subs, boats and cyber attacks on our territory. Alongside their illegal annexation of Ukraine it’s a joined up campaign to put fear into Europe to be passive, so they are absolutely doing it to us. They get a ceasefire it will give them time to regroup and come back for Ukraine and have a pop at the Baltic states, if that happens.

Do you not believe that Russia has invaded a European country and has bad intentions towards the United Kngdom? I don’t need to watch mainstream media to form that opinion.
No … bad intentions towards the UK, no definitely don’t believe that.
 
But who’s driving all this hate. You can’t impose your ideologies on other countries, absolutely. But that’s it, no one is doing that to us. We are told about these horrible people by the MSM but apart from the country getting much poorer by the week, we’ve only their word for it. We are played all the time, hate whipped up, give more money away. We’ll see where it all ends.
If you need a blankie, just say and we’ll wrap you up in cotton wool and swaddle you in your blankie.

Meanwhile, out here in the real world, we have a SINGULAR PERSON trying to occupy and demolish the largest country in Europe. Should we all just grab our blankies and cuddle up with you. I’m sure nothing bad could happen…could it?
 
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If you need a blankie, just say and we’ll wrap you up in cotton wool and swaddled you in your blankie.

Meanwhile, out here in the real world, we have a SINGULAR PERSON trying to occupy and demolish the largest country in Europe. Should we all just grab our blankies and cuddle up with you. I’m sure nothing bad could happen…could it?
I’m just knitting my second one in all honesty. Winter fuel payment and all that.
 

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