PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I think there are portions of the media that are starting to think. They are thinking that City might just be innocent i suspect. It’s only from one or two, and the likes of Jordan not being as one sided, but it seems to be changing. Hopefully they will start to sniff out a story about how the PL have tried to stop one of their clubs being better than their flagship clubs.. I dream though.
If we are found innocent how long before we hear “City have got away with it”

Even some blues use that expression and think it’s OK to say.
 
No, it’s not the same because it’s not the same comment you utter bell.

Still, that’s an absolutely bizarre comment for him to make. I can’t imagine the writers for other clubs asking the fans this…

One for the block/ignore list.
Then give an actual quote, unless of course you're just making shite up. I'm going for making shite up though, moron.
 
In the build up to the CAS verdict you couldn't avoid English football writers and their expert legal advisors telling them that City were going to lose. The tone is very different this time round from what I can see. Most people are pretty circumspect about what actually will happen beyond the fact that for the Premier League to prove their case, it'll take some monumental evidence and incredible levels of incompetence from City's board of directors.

I think that is the benefit of Stefan putting himself "out there".
 
You mean this? Not exactly the same is it?



The thing is like other clubs we've just had to try and work within ever changing rules. A few have failed to do it properly and have been sanctioned. In my opinion there is no middle ground. The domestic and European cartel bum rushed these rules through to halt our progress and as any business would we've tried to.push them as far as we could to our advantage. People can call it cheating but deep down they know it really isn't. It makes them feel better though for the fact we've totally blitzed their clubs on the field.
 
Then give an actual quote, unless of course you're just making shite up. I'm going for making shite up though, moron.

Sorry pal, but you relentlessly quote me in the construction thread with false information. The amount of times I have to put you right again is laughable.

The fact you’re now coming at me defensively obsessing over some random journalist is a bit creepy to be honest.

Tbh, I can’t work it if you’re more obsessed with me or Sam Lee…
 
The thing is like other clubs we've just had to try and work within ever changing rules. A few have failed to do it properly and have been sanctioned. In my opinion there is no middle ground. The domestic and European cartel bum rushed these rules through to halt our progress and as any business would we've tried to.push them as far as we could to our advantage. People can call it cheating but deep down they know it really isn't. It makes them feel better though for the fact we've totally blitzed their clubs on the field.
From the off it was designed and coordinated to tarnish all our achievements ....nothing else
 
No, it’s not the same because it’s not the same comment you utter bell.

Still, that’s an absolutely bizarre comment for him to make. I can’t imagine the writers for other clubs asking the fans this…

One for the block/ignore list.
He definitely got some ripe replies over that but instead of ignoring them he lashes out with abuse.

I'd had some decent conversations with him prior to that and tried to persuade him to step away from his keyboard but he then had a go at me.

I completely lost any respect for him after that.
 
I really can't give a shit about any of this because Sam Lee like every other journalist is just getting steers and nods from people around the club and PL, so we already know he knows nothing, just like everyone else.

Having said that I genuinely can't imagine being so childish you (1) Think having a conversation with 3 anti-City journalists about their point of view means you're an anti-city journalist and (2) Keep a screenshot of it for 5 years to whip out any time he reports something you don't like.




So like every single City fan? There's a reason we get 3,000 page threads every time Pep's contract runs down.



I wish people would just admit they hate him because they found out he grew up a United fan. The mood towards him changed overnight on here when he said that on Ahsan's podcast. Meanwhile everyone outside the City fanbase thinks he's a City mouthpiece that can't be relied on to do anything other than spout the club's line.

If you don't like him don't read his stuff, but don't pretend he's part of some anti-city cabal.
I've never had a problem with him being a utd fan as long as he reports fairly on City & for me that changed after the Uefa ban & before the CAS verdict, I believe Stuart Brennan was also a utd fan & he
treated us fairly & is viewed in different light

I realise that to get on in the media world using City as a vehicle to further your career can be a wise decision just look at Micah Richards, but once he'd got the job at the Athletic, he didn't need to promote City anymore, blocked loads of City fans on twitter who are supposedly his captive audience & is probably worse than Delaney & Harris because they've never hid their hatred of City.

If Lee, Delainey, Harris or Samuel issued the same scoop the only I'd believe is Samuel because in my opinion he's the only one who has treated us fairly
 
I know it’s always been the case that the decision would be reached and then the punishment would be for a separate hearing of whatever but the fact the press seemed to ignore this and now seem to be brief about it presumably from the premier league can we read anything into it.

Two thoughts it’s to make everyone less disappointed when we win. O well if city had been found guilty nothing would have happened for another season anyway

Alternate view why brief about punishments if no punishment is coming.

Final thought we cleared on everything bar no cooperation and they are bring up this to again manage expectations of what they can punish us for how strongly
Nah, it’s just for clicks. If you were a moron fan of another club, which headline would you go for?

City face FURTHER HEARING if found guilty

Or

City to be stripped of titles and RELEGATED if found guilty d guilty.
 
I consider myself to have been educated. Again. I was thinking "complaint" related to the whole complaint of 115/130 alleged breaches, not any particular breach within the complaint. Bloody lawyers :)

So is it likely an appeals panel will reconsider liability and then pass the findings back to the original panel for sanction? Or will the appeals panel consider sanctions themselves? Seems strange (and a little disrespectful) to pass the whole thing round from one to the other like a hot potato .....
Part of those 115/130 alleged breaches are for none cooperation so if the panel similar to CAS agree we haven't cooperated then it will go to the sanction panel
 
I think there are portions of the media that are starting to think. They are thinking that City might just be innocent i suspect. Its only from one or two, and the likes of Jordan not being as one sided, but it seems to be changing. Hopefully they will start to sniff out a story about how the PL have tried to stop one of their clubs being better than their flagship clubs.. I dream though.
Well united haven't a pot to piss in, and Liverpool lost money in their last set off accounts, so they're doing a good job of it themselves without any help off City.
 
I try to keep my schizophrenia in check here :)

My other self says UEFA didn't come to any conclusion on Fordham. It was just part of the 2014 settlement, I think. And it operated until 2017? You only have to look at the Fordham accounts when it stopped "trading" to see losses of 50-60 million.
Isn't the point with Fordam that we didn't deliberately hide it so unless the main charge of so called fraud is proved it will fall under statute of limitations
 
Isn't the point with Fordam that we didn't deliberately hide it so unless the main charge of so called fraud is proved it will fall under statute of limitations

But if anything was hidden (like the loss underwriting payments, for example) we wouldn't know about it because it was hidden .... that, in a nutshell, is my problem. I just don't understand enough about it to say, with any degree of confidence, that it isn't a "non-serious" issue.

Never mind, we will find out soon enough :)
 
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The very fact Sam Lee touts himself as a journalist this day and age is proof enough that he’s a ****, plus he called me a worm in a media thread once(I think the media thread?), so it’s personal.

On top of that, double handed compliments, stiring the pot for engagement on Twitter, selling negative stories as the city correspondent on the athletic and taking the sage advice of the WhatsApp collusion, point towards him being, at worst case, an absolute **** and at best, a self interested grafter who doesn’t support city but says takes the coverage and city correspondent job, as it was an easy in to an industry where no one else wanted to do anything other than cover United or Liverpool.

Some people defend him as a plea to authority, however laughable his position as a *cough* jounalist *cough* is, surely a person in his position has to be at least unbiased in their reporting. They are wrong to do this and any and all sources should be doubted till you can assuredly say they have no vested interests.

I wish nothing but negative things to any and all sports journalist, and the printed media at large with the sole exception of Martin Samuel.

SLIAFC buy a coffee etc etc.

Oh shit, the thread topic… I’m still optimistic purely because if they were winning in any front they’d be leaking like a sieve. The radio silence suggests they’re seeing their arses and need time to get their story straight whatever that might be!
 
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He definitely got some ripe replies over that but instead of ignoring them he lashes out with abuse.

I'd had some decent conversations with him prior to that and tried to persuade him to step away from his keyboard but he then had a go at me.

I completely lost any respect for him after that.

It’s a genuinely bizarre request. I’ve just read it back a few times and it gets worse the more I see it. Like I said, can you imagine another set of fans being asked that by their supposed own club journalist?
 
It will be interesting to see the panel's decision regarding the non cooperation breaches because I remember that the PL were very happy with City's level of cooperation early on in their investigation. If they started asking for things they were not entitled to see that is not being uncooperative if City dont provide that information. If City's lawyers said to City don't provide that information, then City were acting on legal advice. It is not a given that the non cooperation charges land against City. We will find out very soon. Just because CAS found against City for lack of cooperation does not mean that will happen again. UEFA were leaking stuff to the NY Times. The situation with the PL feels different. City will have learned from the UEFA case and may have deployed a different approach. The other thing is whether the PL's rules were robust enough to underpin their requests for information. Bearing in mind that some of the PL rules have been seen to be poorly drafted when under scrutiny. Interesting times.
 
I know it’s always been the case that the decision would be reached and then the punishment would be for a separate hearing of whatever but the fact the press seemed to ignore this and now seem to be brief about it presumably from the premier league can we read anything into it.

Two thoughts it’s to make everyone less disappointed when we win. O well if city had been found guilty nothing would have happened for another season anyway

Alternate view why brief about punishments if no punishment is coming.

Final thought we cleared on everything bar no cooperation and they are bring up this to again manage expectations of what they can punish us for how strongly
It keeps the narrative running In the heads of those who are desperate for us to be guilty

Masters is talking about punishment panel so City must be guilty
 

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