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whine to Reeves not me matey.

I cannot stop what they choose to do.

She has come up with her formula that she thinks we can afford. Who am I to argue?


They are all cunts ....that's my opinion too.
I'm not the one whining. You want more but have no idea how it's to be paid for. And it's not "they". The electorate, unfortunately are not prepared to pay for what they actually want. You want more, then put your hand in your pocket-oh no, you want your kids to pay for it instead.
 
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Reeves clarified the WFA will be for anyone with an income of under £30thousand, they don’t have to apply presumably as we already know by the amount of income tax paid, the inland revenue is well aware how much a pensioner exists on…..after trying to pull the worst possible stunt Reeves has relented.
I think it's under £35k.
 
I think it's under £35k.
The news reported £30k earlier but I checked it is £35k it’s more than pensioners could have hoped for, earlier the news reported 15% of people won’t qualify they must be the richest ones we keep hearing about.
At least Reeves has tried to correct the imbalance for those people on a £12k pension who just missed out on pension credit.
 
The lady is for turning. Revolving Rachel, it seems.

It's not a u turn says Milliband it's a readjustment now she has found wiggle room, nothing to do with reforms gains at the locals, suddenly the money was found under Ray Ray's couch. They had coincidentally seen the light just after more people stopped voting for them.
My absolutely favourite bit of this uncomfortable car crash was the old politicians favourite get out clause(most would call it an outright embarrassing lie)
was when he was asked should they apologise to those pensioners who were very worried about not receiving this benefit:-

Well on the doorstep no one has been asking me about an apology. Yeah that's what you've been doing knocking on Beryl's door all day. Bellend.
 
It's not a u turn says Milliband it's a readjustment now she has found wiggle room, nothing to do with reforms gains at the locals, suddenly the money was found under Ray Ray's couch. They had coincidentally seen the light just after more people stopped voting for them.
My absolutely favourite bit of this uncomfortable car crash was the old politicians favourite get out clause(most would call it an outright embarrassing lie)
was when he was asked should they apologise to those pensioners who were very worried about not receiving this benefit:-

Well on the doorstep no one has been asking me about an apology. Yeah that's what you've been doing knocking on Beryl's door all day. Bellend.
I assume you're referring to Chris Philp who, when asked at the weekend for an apology for Truss's budget, refused to do so despite being Chief Secretary to the Treasury at the time. I'm sure you'd agree that millions of homeowners paying £100s more each month on their mortgages deserves more of an apology than pensioners losing £200-£300 a year.
 
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It's not a u turn says Milliband it's a readjustment now she has found wiggle room, nothing to do with reforms gains at the locals, suddenly the money was found under Ray Ray's couch. They had coincidentally seen the light just after more people stopped voting for them.
My absolutely favourite bit of this uncomfortable car crash was the old politicians favourite get out clause(most would call it an outright embarrassing lie)
was when he was asked should they apologise to those pensioners who were very worried about not receiving this benefit:-

Well on the doorstep no one has been asking me about an apology. Yeah that's what you've been doing knocking on Beryl's door all day. Bellend.
I honestly don’t understand why she can’t just say I’m sorry, I fucked up and I’m recognising that by reversing most of the decision. She just ended up liking like a **** yesterday. Admitting you made a mistake and going back on your original decision isn’t a sign of weakness. It’s a sign of weakness to think it is.
 
I honestly don’t understand why she can’t just say I’m sorry, I fucked up and I’m recognising that by reversing most of the decision. She just ended up liking like a **** yesterday. Admitting you made a mistake and going back on your original decision isn’t a sign of weakness. It’s a sign of weakness to think it is.
They'd get a lot more respect from the general public if they did this.
 
I assume you're referring to Chris Philp who, when asked at the weekend for an apology for Truss's budget, refused to do so despite being Chief Secretary to the Treasury at the time. I'm sure you'd agree that millions of homeowners paying £100s more each month on their mortgages deserves more of an apology than pensioners losing £200-£300 a year.

No I was talking about Milliband Today on behalf of the current government on Breakfast but you knew that.

Laughable pathetic attempt at whataboutery to a green voter about a Tory who is no longer relevant.

Anyhow yeah he should have apologised and I would have said so if I had seen it or read it on here.

Anyhow well done on confirming you can't justify Millibands interview but rather than being honest you tried that desperate shit.

Score for you:-)

Ttfn
 
At the start of this she should have said that they would consult on the amount a pensioner could ‘earn’ before the WFA was taken away. Obviously I’m guessing but I’d think it’d have been way less than £35000.
Not only that, but this is actually costing them more money than it was before, given the large rise in pensioners claiming pension credits, following the original announcement.

The Politicians fallacy, or syllogism, is alive and well and, sadly, being demonstrated on an almost daily basis…
 
No I was talking about Milliband Today on behalf of the current government on Breakfast but you knew that.

Laughable pathetic attempt at whataboutery to a green voter about a Tory who is no longer relevant.

Anyhow yeah he should have apologised and I would have said so if I had seen it or read it on here.

Anyhow well done on confirming you can't justify Millibands interview but rather than being honest you tried that desperate shit.

Score for you:-)

Ttfn
Calm down, calm down! I have always said the WFA policy was poorly implemented. I happen to agree that politicians would get far more credit if they did say sorry on occasions, but unfortunately the press would just jump on it and it would be chucked in their faces for years to come. Sorry, but I didn't see the interview you refer to as the TV hasn't been switched on yet!
 
I honestly don’t understand why she can’t just say I’m sorry, I fucked up and I’m recognising that by reversing most of the decision. She just ended up liking like a **** yesterday. Admitting you made a mistake and going back on your original decision isn’t a sign of weakness. It’s a sign of weakness to think it is.
Might have been Chris Mason on Newsnight last night, but a BBC journo said that the unwillingness from politicians to say 'sorry' goes back to Nick Clegg. His apology over tuition fees was used as a very big stick for years, and no-one wants to go there again.

Victoria Derbyshire seemed surprised by that, but it was presented as if everyone knows.

Was a bit odd. I don't know how much truth there is in it, but the comment in partial defence of Reeves seemed unusual. I agree with you that some things are best just putting your hands up over.
 
Calm down, calm down! I have always said the WFA policy was poorly implemented. I happen to agree that politicians would get far more credit if they did say sorry on occasions, but unfortunately the press would just jump on it and it would be chucked in their faces for years to come. Sorry, but I didn't see the interview you refer to as the TV hasn't been switched on yet!

I'm perfectly fine thanks for asking, life can be quite easy, didn't watch it don't comment, did watch it be honest.
Nothing happens if anyone disagrees with something their party says. A hole doesn't appear and you dont get swept into the bowels of hell. If it did no one would be posting on here because most are side taking arseholes politically speaking and the wi-fi down there is shit:-)

Anyone looking at your comments on the WFA it appears either unintentionally or not you think Reeves is pretty useless.
 
I honestly don’t understand why she can’t just say I’m sorry, I fucked up and I’m recognising that by reversing most of the decision. She just ended up liking like a **** yesterday. Admitting you made a mistake and going back on your original decision isn’t a sign of weakness. It’s a sign of weakness to think it is.

Exactly this and unfortunately she is just another in a stupendously long queue of politicians from all parties who sully themselves from all parties.
Embarrassing for their 'supporters' who try to justify it.
 
Might have been Chris Mason on Newsnight last night, but a BBC journo said that the unwillingness from politicians to say 'sorry' goes back to Nick Clegg. His apology over tuition fees was used as a very big stick for years, and no-one wants to go there again.

Victoria Derbyshire seemed surprised by that, but it was presented as if everyone knows.

Was a bit odd. I don't know how much truth there is in it, but the comment in partial defence of Reeves seemed unusual. I agree with you that some things are best just putting your hands up over.
I remember Clegg getting pelters for the tuition fee u-turn, and I’m not sure the apology made those criticisms any worse. I think there was a lot of vitriol that he’d gone into government with the Tories which probably fuelled that. I don’t think the tuition fees was his biggest failure when doing the deal with the Tories. That was unquestionably his capitulation on PR which could have changed the game for the LibDems back then, and for which he’s never apologised afaik - although the result of the last general election might mean he was right all along!

This is slightly different because it’s a government with a large majority unilaterally implementing policy, rather than a politician having to decide which policies to drop in order to form a coalition, so I’d say it definitely calls for one because the decision wasn’t borne out of necessity.

And just because Clegg got the backlash he did doesn’t mean Reeves would too. Everyone knows she fucked up, and I think her political stock would increase if she could simply accept that, not least because it’s true.
 
Might have been Chris Mason on Newsnight last night, but a BBC journo said that the unwillingness from politicians to say 'sorry' goes back to Nick Clegg. His apology over tuition fees was used as a very big stick for years, and no-one wants to go there again.

Victoria Derbyshire seemed surprised by that, but it was presented as if everyone knows.

Was a bit odd. I don't know how much truth there is in it, but the comment in partial defence of Reeves seemed unusual. I agree with you that some things are best just putting your hands up over.

The problem with not apologising over a mistake is firstly people think your incompetent and you double down with dishonesty. Unfortunately it happens so often people just roll their eyes. This is the problem with living in a Westminster bubble. They must think more than just a few cretins actually fall for it.
There is a reason the public in general do not trust or like politicians. There aren't many professions with a lower standing tbh.
 
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I think it's fear of how the media treat things, something that I think they have some justification to worry about. There will be endless interviews with opponents about it.

I think the fear of reporting currently exceeds fear of the public voting intentions.

I agree though - apologise and take a solid position of "made a mistake, corrected it, apologised". Be different from Philp (which surely must be a good thing!)
 
A nationwide opinion poll which the Tories ran with and did their own thing, refusing to listen to advice from others. That's how I remember it going down. Twas 2019 elections that gave Boris his 'mandate' to leave his way, not 2016. Lots of people forget that.
But by then it was too late. Article 50 was a timed process and had it not been for goodwill extensions then we should have left in March 2019 long before that election was even held.

They could have spent years consulting and holding elections or votes on what to do. Instead Tory party squabbling led to May to trigger the process to leave, she then held an election and lost all authority to actually negotiate and implement any form of leave. Let's not forget that she spent 2 years negotiating a deal and then they saw the biggest government defeats in history.

We should have paused the process at that point but instead May ploughed on trying to salvage something that she could never implement. It was always going to be easy pickings for the EU who probably envisaged a plan B second referendum so that the original vote would be overturned... But then Boris won.

Back on topic of this thread, where were Labour in all of this? They were nowhere.
 

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