PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Damocles said:
Topic was my Mum's favourite chocolate bar before she died, bless her.

She had dementia. I always laugh about how dementia is weird because she smoked like a chimney for 40 years but gave up because one day she just forgot she smoked and nobody bothered to mention it to her or wheel her outside.

But she never forgot two things. Kevin Keegan in the Liverpool era was the sexiest man alive and that when Corrie ends then it's time for a Topic bar, the patrician's choice of chocolate bars.
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God bless mate. Having lost my Mum who had dementia in December, I know humour helped and still does. Cheers Blue.
 
chedlee said:
That works. We met in 1982, she lived in Solihull and would come up here every other weekend . We went to West Brom away that season and Villa I think (win against WB and draw against Villa???)
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Nearly (and had to check - I’m not that much of a City geek!) but neither Villa nor West Brom were in Division 2 that season, but we played them both the previous season (1982-83) after you met your girlfriend and drew and beat them away respectively, as you remember - so pretty good memory overall mate! Both games were in the second part of that season so that ties in with when you met your girlfriend.

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The one that stands out for me is the West Brom game as it was only one of four we won in the 1983 portion of that season, when our form collapsed and we slid down the table.

I remember the Brighton away game we won, which was the penultimate game of that season, where Reeves scored near the end and we looked like we’d done enough to stay up, or at least left it in our hands, but I don’t remember the West Brom away win, but it must have been a great atmosphere that day given the form we were in!

Edit: the other thing that’s noteworthy about that season is the number of points we were relegated with, namely 47, which (rounding up) works out as 43 over a 38 game season, a total that no club in 38 game PL history has ever gone down with (West Ham holding the record for a 38 game season with 42). Shows how much more evenly the points were distributed back then, but how freakish it was in lots of ways that we went down that season, something the club didn’t recover from for decades.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Nearly (and had to check - I’m not that much of a City geek!) but neither Villa nor West Brom were in Division 2 that season, but we played them both the previous season (1982-83) after you met your girlfriend and drew and beat them away respectively, as you remember - so pretty good memory overall mate! Both games were in the second part of that season so that ties in with when you met your girlfriend.

1982–83 Manchester City F.C. season - Wikipedia

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The one that stands out for me is the West Brom game as it was only one of four we won in the 1983 portion of that season, when our form collapsed and we slid down the table.

I remember the Brighton away game we won, which was the penultimate game of that season, where Reeves scored near the end and we looked like we’d done enough to stay up, or at least left it in our hands, but I don’t remember the West Brom away win, but it must have been a great atmosphere that day given the form we were in!

Edit: the other thing that’s noteworthy about that season is the number of points we were relegated with, namely 47, which (rounding up) works out as 43 over a 38 game season, a total that no club in 38 game PL history has ever gone down with (West Ham holding the record for a 38 game season with 42). Shows how much more evenly the points were distributed back then, but how freakish it was in lots of ways that we went down that season, something the club didn’t recover from for decades.
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After I wrote that I realised that the midlands games were the season before. The West Brom win (2-1) became more significant as it was a number of years before we won away in the 1st division again (I think Villa coincidentally). Those were the days when you could just decide to rock up to a game so we were with the home fans for both. Not sure why I didn’t take her to a home match until the next season but it probably didn’t work with our alternate weekends at each others houses (and Keegan let’s not forget)
Thanks for all the extra information. Seems like a very very long time ago.
 
chedlee said:
After I wrote that I realised that the midlands games were the season before. The West Brom win (2-1) became more significant as it was a number of years before we won away in the 1st division again (I think Villa coincidentally). Those were the days when you could just decide to rock up to a game so we were with the home fans for both. Not sure why I didn’t take her to a home match until the next season but it probably didn’t work with our alternate weekends at each others houses (and Keegan let’s not forget)
Thanks for all the extra information. Seems like a very very long time ago.
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It was over 40 years ago! Where does it all go?!
 
Damocles said:
Topic was my Mum's favourite chocolate bar before she died, bless her.

She had dementia. I always laugh about how dementia is weird because she smoked like a chimney for 40 years but gave up because one day she just forgot she smoked and nobody bothered to mention it to her or wheel her outside.

But she never forgot two things. Kevin Keegan in the Liverpool era was the sexiest man alive and that when Corrie ends then it's time for a Topic bar, the patrician's choice of chocolate bars.
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Mate.... despite the underlying sadness, I have to say the above post really made me smile. Thank you.

She had dementia. I always laugh about how dementia is weird because she smoked like a chimney for 40 years but gave up because one day she just forgot she smoked and nobody bothered to mention it to her or wheel her outside.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Nearly (and had to check - I’m not that much of a City geek!) but neither Villa nor West Brom were in Division 2 that season, but we played them both the previous season (1982-83) after you met your girlfriend and drew and beat them away respectively, as you remember - so pretty good memory overall mate! Both games were in the second part of that season so that ties in with when you met your girlfriend.

1982–83 Manchester City F.C. season - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

The one that stands out for me is the West Brom game as it was only one of four we won in the 1983 portion of that season, when our form collapsed and we slid down the table.

I remember the Brighton away game we won, which was the penultimate game of that season, where Reeves scored near the end and we looked like we’d done enough to stay up, or at least left it in our hands, but I don’t remember the West Brom away win, but it must have been a great atmosphere that day given the form we were in!

Edit: the other thing that’s noteworthy about that season is the number of points we were relegated with, namely 47, which (rounding up) works out as 43 over a 38 game season, a total that no club in 38 game PL history has ever gone down with (West Ham holding the record for a 38 game season with 42). Shows how much more evenly the points were distributed back then, but how freakish it was in lots of ways that we went down that season, something the club didn’t recover from for decades.
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That team was much better than the United one which survived last season. That late goal from Antic killed us as a club for many years.
 
Damocles said:
Topic was my Mum's favourite chocolate bar before she died, bless her.

She had dementia. I always laugh about how dementia is weird because she smoked like a chimney for 40 years but gave up because one day she just forgot she smoked and nobody bothered to mention it to her or wheel her outside.

But she never forgot two things. Kevin Keegan in the Liverpool era was the sexiest man alive and that when Corrie ends then it's time for a Topic bar, the patrician's choice of chocolate bars.
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That's amazing about the smoking. As an ex smoker I know how hard the habit gets wired into your brain - just shows the havoc dementia wreaks.
 
FFS - let's have a ruling already.

The so-called current FFP rulings in the P/L are all about locking in top sides - invest only to the limit of your proven income.

Whereas FFP was marketed as a solution to prevent clubs from going bankrupt having borrowed too much to advance their ambitions.

Scrap the extant FFP rules in the P/L - they're only meant to maintain the likes of ManU at the top of the league (haha, turns out that spending a shit-ton of money doesn't make you successful) - and - instead - institute a solvency rule... which is to say, no club is allowed to borrow beyond their foreseeable means to pay back said loan.

If you want to cap investment by an independently wealthy owner as well - controversially that's a good idea, but the P/L needs to be careful if they go this way, as other teams (Barca in the past, Real Madrid always) frequently spend massively - then set that cap.

Man City are in no danger of going bankrupt - we're not even the top spenders over the last 4 years - and yet we're hit with this bullshit investigation - perhaps, in the strict sense of rules on the book we may have committed some infractions - but for christ sake - whatever infractions we may have committed were aimed at getting around the bullshit FFP rules and never, ever endangered the club's solvency.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
FFS - let's have a ruling already.

The so-called current FFP rulings in the P/L are all about locking in top sides - invest only to the limit of your proven income.

Whereas FFP was marketed as a solution to prevent clubs from going bankrupt having borrowed too much to advance their ambitions.

Scrap the extant FFP rules in the P/L - they're only meant to maintain the likes of ManU at the top of the league (haha, turns out that spending a shit-ton of money doesn't make you successful) - and - instead - institute a solvency rule... which is to say, no club is allowed to borrow beyond their foreseeable means to pay back said loan.

If you want to cap investment by an independently wealthy owner as well - controversially that's a good idea, but the P/L needs to be careful if they go this way, as other teams (Barca in the past, Real Madrid always) frequently spend massively - then set that cap.

Man City are in no danger of going bankrupt - we're not even the top spenders over the last 4 years - and yet we're hit with this bullshit investigation - perhaps, in the strict sense of rules on the book we may have committed some infractions - but for christ sake - whatever infractions we may have committed were aimed at getting around the bullshit FFP rules and never, ever endangered the club's solvency.
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Hear, hear

FFP.... Financial Fair Play is when you meekly kowtow to the Red Shirt Cartel's priviliged favour and status in the Premier League.

OR

FFP... Financial Foul Play is when you have the temerity to threaten the protected Red Shirt Cartel's priviliged favour and status in the Premier League.

I think the majority on this forum know which scenario is at force here.
 
I was in Chester on Saturday and there was a group of giddy middle-aged men excited because their wives had let them out for a stag do or something, very Scouse accents were saying how City had cheated and they'll be docked enough points to be relegated - I'd had a couple of pints so I had to move away before I said something that I was proud of whilst recovering in hospital. It worked though because I went on the fruit machine in the corner away from them and dropped £45.

I suppose you could call that financial fair play :
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Mate.... despite the underlying sadness, I have to say the above post really made me smile. Thank you.

She had dementia. I always laugh about how dementia is weird because she smoked like a chimney for 40 years but gave up because one day she just forgot she smoked and nobody bothered to mention it to her or wheel her outside.
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Dementia is a strange illness my mother said one day those glasses are not mine, actually they were. I don't were glasses never wore them again
 
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