Is the club going to put in an official complaint about the officiating on Saturday?

[hilts]

Often in a 'one on one' situation you see an attacker push the ball too far past a goalkeeper and it's going out of play only for the goalkeeper to then clatter him and the penalty is given. I have never seen a referee exercise your 'common sense' rule and take the view that since the attacker was not going to reach the ball and it was going out of play the penalty should not be given.
Also the defender by his position and the way he runs towards Phil is clearly influencing the way Phil gets his shot away and the consequent miss.The defender is of course entitled to do this but he is not entitled to finish of his run with the foul.

The first line says not official, the very first line. My rule? Come on mate at least read the post properly.

Phil fucked up the shot and whether he fouled him or not(he obviously did) wouldnt have changed a bloody thing. To me the foul in itself is an orange card(im aware there is no orange card just to bat that reply away) ie some would give a yellow some a red.

That is all.

 

[cheekybids]

Are you suggesting that the Semiautomated Offside system of 30 cameras that generate an AI decision is calibrated to favour some teams and not others?

There was a video that someone shared that explains “semi” is an explanation that allows those in VAR to manipulate. It doesn’t make the decision, it’s there to speed up the decision.

 

[WRicko]

Its simple although maybe not official. You take someone out on the halfway line you take him out of the game for a period of time. The ball is in play.

In the penalty box you shoot then get fouled the ball is out of touch. The tackle in itself has not affected anything in play.

The common sense solution is yellow card and a dead ball kick.

As for the thread title fuck me its small time and embarrassing, we ain't candlepool.

People dont care much for common sense.

I agree but until the rules are changed they should be obeyed if the rules don’t make a distinction then it should be a penalty end of

 

[cheekybids]

Good because those that don't rise above it look fukin pathetic so just keep rising above it Pep.

Even if it is corrupt? There is a way of doing it by not looking pathetic, just as he is doing. You can say we aren’t questioning the integrity but the technology & this can be done behind closed doors.

 

[hilts]

I agree but until the rules are changed they should be obeyed if the rules don’t make a distinction then it should be a penalty end of

The biggest problem with refs and var is they saw the incident, they slowed it down and at least 2 refs came to the wrong conclusion. Wtf can we do about this, its fucking mind boggling but nothing gets done. An official complaint will do fuck all.
It drives every fan of every club stark raving mad. It just makes me feel a bit better when I accept in this case the real reason we didn't score was down to an error from our player and if we are being honest with ourselves we didn't really deserve a penalty.
No good can come out of seeking out perceived bias from referees or pundits. Its really not good for ones mental health.

 

[Longdarnit Blue]

I’m more upset at the non-offside than the non-penalty decision because of the manipulation, the nonsense graphics and the dodgy explanations.

It would seem that as ever, the best team in the land and all the world has a tolerance level of more than 5 cm.

If we don’t win anything this season and never complain, PGMOL /EPL could present us with not with a cup but more aptly, a toleration champions mug. I’m sure our red friends in North London would approve.

Whilst we are football royalty (never complain - never explain) perhaps this one needs professionally calling out if only to stop the muppet commentators and amoeba brained pundits telling us that some decisions are subjective whilst others, like offside decisions are a fact.

No they are not.

 

[dickie davies]

Hmmm release the audio probably with all the technology now they’ll edit it to get them in the clear..

Knowing how amateur the PL is, it'd be something like this

 

[.db.]

Well, I suppose we could say that semi-automated also means semi-human?

It’s only human up to the point that the footage is stopped when the ball is struck. From that point on, it’s AI.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

My quote at the time was along the lines of he was fucking offside as fuck.

I’m not staggered by your view, it’s simply just your view. I can see it from both ways, but for me if a shot is already released but a foul comes after, I can’t see how a penalty can be given. I can see how it would be given as a foul in any other area of the pitch, but in the box it has to be different in that unique scenario. The defender got lucky.

You've countered your own argument there. If Phil gets kicked like that in the centre circle, it's 100% a foul and yellow card. Getting kicked after you've played the ball is arguably worse than getting kicked at the time you play the ball. Where it occurred doesn't matter. In the area or in the centre circle, it's reckless and therefore a foul and a card.

 

[mattcity5]

It’s only human up to the point that the footage is stopped when the ball is struck. From that point on, it’s AI.

So if there's an error because theyve gone off an image from a different point to when the ball was struck, then that's still a human fuck up.

And AI isn't 100% reliable. So that can also fuck up.

But basically a fuck up is a fuck up regardless.

 

[mattcity5]

You've countered your own argument there. If Phil gets kicked like that in the centre circle, it's 100% a foul and yellow card. Getting kicked after you've played the ball is arguably worse than getting kicked at the time you play the ball. Where it occurred doesn't matter. In the area or in the centre circle, it's reckless and therefore a foul and a card.

Id actually say that if a player goes in at that speed studs up and late in the centre of the pitch it's likely to be a red card.

It could have been looked at by VAR for that as well as for a penalty.

 

[.db.]

So if there's an error because theyve gone off an image from a different point to when the ball was struck, then that's still a human fuck up.

And AI isn't 100% reliable. So that can also fuck up.

But basically a fuck up is a fuck up regardless.

Indeed. I’ve said previously, the PL/Pigmol were reluctant to bring in this system because they had done their own tests and found that their own drawing lines system was more accurate than the first gen. of SA-offside so waited for the second gen. to be released.

But fans were constantly moaning ‘why have the CL and WC got the semiautomatic offside system and we’re still stuck drawing lines on, shows it’s fucking corrupt’.

Now we’ve got the second gen., fans are moaning ‘why are we not having the lines drawn anymore, shows it’s fucking corrupt’ and ‘VAR needs scrapping’.

But when we didn’t have VAR and blatant three-yards offside/onside calls were wrong every week, fans were moaning ‘can’t believe we’re still stuck reffing games like it’s 1888, we need VAR, shows it’s fucking corrupt’.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I’m more upset at the non-offside than the non-penalty decision because of the manipulation, the nonsense graphics and the dodgy explanations.

It would seem that as ever, the best team in the land and all the world has a tolerance level of more than 5 cm.

If we don’t win anything this season and never complain, PGMOL /EPL could present us with not with a cup but more aptly, a toleration champions mug. I’m sure our red friends in North London would approve.

Whilst we are football royalty (never complain - never explain) perhaps this one needs professionally calling out if only to stop the muppet commentators and amoeba brained pundits telling us that some decisions are subjective whilst others, like offside decisions are a fact.

No they are not.

If the goal had just been given by the referee (as it was) without all the VAR nonsense I would have accepted it. I was in the ground and we couldn’t see it at the other end. It was a marginal call and I am happy to use common sense and give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. What is happening is contrived madness fuelled by the broadcasters. The ref should have just checked the Foden call on screen and given the blatant penalty,

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Dear Howard,

We think you're a meanie!

Raspberry.........


Your's sincerely,

MCFC.

 

[BedsBlue68]

Close decision fuck off, we were robbed you muppet

"Robbed" don't talk shite - "muppet" - now you do sound like a dipper

 

[JewelZee]

Which is precisely why we should not make a formal complaint or be demanding audio. City complaining would get about the same public sympathy as the tax office going on strike for more money, zero. We need to suck it up, have a siege mentality, and be good enough to win despite the bias, we have done it multiple times, and would have done so on Saturday if we had taken our chances.

That's up for debate. After watching that match what makes anyone so sure that if Haaland or Phil had scored the official and/or VAR wouldn't have cooked something else up to assist the Geordies?
This result for Newcastle was itself a VAR, a video assisted result...

 

[BedsBlue68]

Howard Webb will be writing your Christmas Card as we speak :)

Why would he do that - i didnt say they were right, I was comparing our reaction to the whining dippers

 

[NJMCFC184]

Let's stop being soft and just get on with it, work on mentality. 2 years ago we'd of equalised and gone on to win.

 

[asahartford1]

You've countered your own argument there. If Phil gets kicked like that in the centre circle, it's 100% a foul and yellow card. Getting kicked after you've played the ball is arguably worse than getting kicked at the time you play the ball. Where it occurred doesn't matter. In the area or in the centre circle, it's reckless and therefore a foul and a card.

I agree with all that.

Where I disagree with other posters is that there is a mitigation that he should have scored, they are wrong. A flying challenge both feet off the ground definitely impacts the forward. Of course a top level footballer knows what is coming and the subsequent danger.

It was a terrible decision. Contact like that could have been game, or season ending. Only City would not have got a penalty( or maybe forest too).

 

[.db.]

I really don’t mind a few inches here-or-there margins of error for the VAR offside system.

I actually think that even if Guimaraes’ toenail was offside and it was disallowed, I’d have said that’s too harsh on attacking football and gives no benefit of the doubt to the attacking team. We shouldn’t be looking for reasons for goals to be disallowed (unless something blatant is missed) and we should be looking for reasons for goals to stand as much as possible.

The overall thing is that the tiny margin for error we may have now is a miles better system than when these were called wrong without VAR…

The #23 in the offside position here scored in this playoff semi, no VAR in this game, the goal stood, and Orient got to Wembley:



VAR hadn’t yet come into the sport and Sane was given offside in the CL game against Liverpool here, when it was Milner who played the ball back to him, not a City player playing the ball forward to him… this goal would have made it 2-0 on the night and 2-3 on aggregate:



Scholes was flagged offside here in the CL quarters against Porto, this would have put Utd 2-0 up but this was disallowed and Porto equalised later on and went though on away goals (lol and all that, but it’s a shit decision, there are three players playing him onside):



This^ is what we’ve got VAR offside systems for because this was happening somewhere all the bloody time and it was becoming a joke when other sports had had video refs for decades.