PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[dadnlad]

I’d have thought our “irrefutable evidence” might JUST have shortened the process,but SADLY that doesn’t look like the case:(

it might do we'll never know

 

[Norbiton]

"So you run and you run
To catch up with the sun
But it's sinking
And racing around
To come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way
But you're older
Shorter of breath
And one day to closer to death."

I used to think that was funny as a teenager. Not so fucking funny more than 50 years later.

There is no other day
Let’s try it another way

 

[mattcity5]

As I have made clear - it is not just me that believes/believed it was imminent. It was the parties themselves including their barristers. You are welcome to believe me or not.

I don't doubt you, and your input on here has been fantastic and worthwhile. But as to the release date - you've set expectations better than most other people, but it still doesn't mean you end up being right. Although if anyone keeps saying it's imminent, they'll be right sooner or later by default.

June 25

Really no idea how that was your take away. I think the liability decision is imminent and literally say that in the substack. When imminent is, who knows. This week, next week?

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July 25

I don't recall that but if someone predicts it is imminent, how can anyone be categoric. You can if someone says it has already occurred when it hasn't

I guess I'm just at the point now where I'm beyond playing guessing games about when the decision will be announced. You were pretty guarded and safe in the your suggestions, because a lot assumed it would be announced sooner and you didn't fall into that trap - but still, we're way beyond that original 'imminent'.

Which is my point. Everything can point to the result being imminent, but if it isn't then announced, the claim was wrong. It's only in hindsight we can know if it was imminent.

It'll happen when it happens, and we're closer to that every day.

 

[dadnlad]

If slbsn says no idea thats not good radio they need headlines
leave him alone he's really our only voice in this witch hunt i'd guess hed like to say more but it feeds clickbait headlines

 

[slbsn]

I don't doubt you, and your input on here has been fantastic and worthwhile. But as to the release date - you've set expectations better than most other people, but it still doesn't mean you end up being right. Although if anyone keeps saying it's imminent, they'll be right sooner or later by default.

June 25


July 25


I guess I'm just at the point now where I'm beyond playing guessing games about when the decision will be announced. You were pretty guarded and safe in the your suggestions, because a lot assumed it would be announced sooner and you didn't fall into that trap - but still, we're way beyond that original 'imminent'.

Which is my point. Everything can point to the result being imminent, but if it isn't then announced, the claim was wrong. It's only in hindsight we can know if it was imminent.

It'll happen when it happens, and we're closer to that every day.

Which bit of "who knows" or "nobody knows" confused people?

Regardless, as I have also said the imminence of the verdict was and is as per the parties themselves. It certainly doesn't mean it is coming today or tomorrow and wasn't with the parties as of earlier this week.

I'll keep saying it is imminent until I am informed that the parties know it is not close because we are now in the zone when it is close on any rationale timeline. And because that is what my discussions tell me. Last reply on this point.

Readers can believe me or not.

 

[Gazza]

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Which bit of "who knows" or "nobody knows" confused people?

Regardless, as I have also said the imminence of the verdict was and is as per the parties themselves. It certainly doesn't mean it is coming today or tomorrow and wasn't with the parties as of earlier this week.

I'll keep saying it is imminent until I am informed that the parties know it is not close because we are now in the zone when it is close on any rationale timeline. And because that is what my discussions tell me. Last reply on this point.

Readers can believe me or not.

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Keep up the good work Stefan. Without you we’d have been strung up in the media.

For those discussing the word “imminent”, it really means different things to different people. For those not involved in the decision, that’s most of us, then we are using it to describe an expectation using precedence BUT to those directly involved then they will only use it when they believe they are ready to release it or have an expected date of release that is within a reasonable amount of time. So technically it can be imminent and not imminent at the same time because there appears to be no mechanism for one side to officially inform the other.

And another thing, I am currently working on a project whereby I was telling people that it would be finished imminently however delivery has since become unknown due to unforeseen circumstances. The imminence status can sometimes be fluid.


And now, that’s all clear … just be patient everyone.

 

[mattcity5]

Which bit of "who knows" or "nobody knows" confused people?

Regardless, as I have also said the imminence of the verdict was and is as per the parties themselves. It certainly doesn't mean it is coming today or tomorrow and wasn't with the parties as of earlier this week.

I'll keep saying it is imminent until I am informed that the parties know it is not close because we are now in the zone when it is close on any rationale timeline. And because that is what my discussions tell me. Last reply on this point.

Readers can believe me or not.

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You don't have to reply, you said you wouldn't.But to respond to your question, this is what you said in June:

"I think the liability decision is imminent and literally say that in the substack. When imminent is, who knows. This week, next week?"

Either you're working to a different definition of imminent to the rest of us, or you were wrong. You can't have it both ways. You said it was imminent in June, but didn't know when - that's okay. But you didn't then say "This week, next week, 7 months time?", because 7+ months away just isn't imminent.

That's fine, people are sometimes wrong, that's okay.

 

[slbsn]

Keep up the good work Stefan. Without you we’d have been strung up in the media.

For those discussing the word “imminent”, it really means different things to different people. For those not involved in the decision, that’s most of us, then we are using it to describe an expectation using precedence BUT to those directly involved then they will only use it when they believe they are ready to release it or have an expected date of release that is within a reasonable amount of time. So technically it can be imminent and not imminent at the same time because there appears to be no mechanism for one side to officially inform the other.

And another thing, I am currently working on a project whereby I was telling people that it would be finished imminently however delivery has since become unknown due to unforeseen circumstances. The imminence status can sometimes be fluid.


And now, that’s all clear … just be patient everyone.

This is a very good point. Interestingly, on this one nobody has been told that due to unforeseen circumstances, the decision is now delayed - it just hasn't come out even without those unforeseen delays. It would be more understandable if the panel had said that.

 

[mattcity5]

Keep up the good work Stefan. Without you we’d have been strung up in the media.

For those discussing the word “imminent”, it really means different things to different people. For those not involved in the decision, that’s most of us, then we are using it to describe an expectation using precedence BUT to those directly involved then they will only use it when they believe they are ready to release it or have an expected date of release that is within a reasonable amount of time. So technically it can be imminent and not imminent at the same time because there appears to be no mechanism for one side to officially inform the other.

And another thing, I am currently working on a project whereby I was telling people that it would be finished imminently however delivery has since become unknown due to unforeseen circumstances. The imminence status can sometimes be fluid.


And now, that’s all clear … just be patient everyone.

Fair points, well said. Sometimes a calm and reasoned response can help.

If only I'd seen it before I'd posted my last message...! :-)

 

[slbsn]

You don't have to reply, you said you wouldn't.But to respond to your question, this is what you said in June:

"I think the liability decision is imminent and literally say that in the substack. When imminent is, who knows. This week, next week?"

Either you're working to a different definition of imminent to the rest of us, or you were wrong. You can't have it both ways. You said it was imminent in June, but didn't know when - that's okay. But you didn't then say "This week, next week, 7 months time?", because 7+ months away just isn't imminent.

That's fine, people are sometimes wrong, that's okay.

The substack referred to says - best to read it. If you really think I could predict with precision something nobody outside a 3 man panel knows, then I can't help you. You can keep trying to nail me on some gotcha on this but it won't work because I have said over and over that I DO NOT KNOW when because NOBODY knows when:

 

[willipp]

This is a very good point. Interestingly, on this one nobody has been told that due to unforeseen circumstances, the decision is now delayed - it just hasn't come out even without those unforeseen delays. It would be more understandable if the panel had said that.

Does anyone have the authority to ask the panel, why is this taking so long and when can we expect a decision? Doesn't seem unreasonable now to ask how much longer they expect it to take considering its been over a year. Would certainly calm a lot of people down if they just put an estimated date on its delivery.

 

[nijinsky69]

A broken clock is correct twice a day so repeatedly making predictions on the imminence of the decision is a relatively safe bet.

I’ve now convinced myself that we will hear at the end of the season on the basis that the panel believe that timing will be in the best interests of all concerned i.e City, PL and other teams in the competition. Whichever way the decision goes it is likely have a hugely disruptive effect on the Premier League and this is better dealt with in the off season.

I am of course probably completely wrong on the above and the result is indeed “imminent”!

 

[mattcity5]

The substack referred to says - best to read it. If you really think I could predict with precision something nobody outside a 3 man panel knows, then I can't help you. You can keep trying to nail me on some gotcha on this but it won't work because I have said over and over that I DO NOT KNOW when because NOBODY knows when: View attachment 181262

Not trying to nail you in any way, I've been pretty complimentary and cautious in my approach, because you do take a lot of unnecessary flak and as a result you do (understandably) get defensive.

It just gets confusing when - even in that passage - you can on one hand say "there's no way of knowing" and also "I think it's imminent".

Your responses now make me think that if this went on for another 5 years, you'd still be saying both things, which do seem to contradict each other.

Anyway, I'm sure we've both made our points and as mentioned, I'm glad you've been here to keep expectations as on track as they could be.

 

[mattcity5]

A broken clock is correct twice a day so repeatedly making predictions on the imminence of the decision is a relatively safe bet.

I’ve now convinced myself that we will hear at the end of the season on the basis that the panel believe that timing will be best interests of all concerned i.e City, PL and other teams in the competition. Whichever way the decision goes it is likely have a hugely disruptive effect on the Premier League and this is better dealt with in the off season.

I am of course probably completely wrong on the above and the result is indeed “imminent”!

Agree. Feels like it'll either be before March, or it'll be after the season ends now. Total guess though.

 

[Centurions]

Does anyone have the authority to ask the panel, why is this taking so long and when can we expect a decision? Doesn't seem unreasonable now to ask how much longer they expect it to take considering its been over a year. Would certainly calm a lot of people down if they just put an estimated date on its delivery.

Only City and/or the PL, if you're meaning 3rd parties. Possibly a court could ask but probably not.

It's possible that we or the PL have but haven't got a definite timescale, not that either side would then publish it. It's more probable (even a certainty) that neither side have asked.

 

[bluemc]

I’d have thought our “irrefutable evidence” might JUST have shortened the process,but SADLY that doesn’t look like the case:(

I'd have thought that if the Premier League had us bang to rights because we've definitely "cheated" as numerous people (media rags mainly) claim, it would have been a fairly quick, open & shut case?

Sadly for the Premier League, that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[Centurions]

...
It just gets confusing when - even in that passage - you can on one hand say "there's no way of knowing" and also "I think it's imminent".

Your responses now make me think that if this went on for another 5 years, you'd still be saying both things, which do seem to contradict each other.
...

Those statements are not contradictory though. "Knowing" something and "thinking" something are not the same thing.

 

[Blue Pete]

Been skimming the last 10 pages or so and seen the word imminent alot. Has someone seen the windmill?

 

[madloaf]

....and now here's Susie Dent with today's dictionary corner. "The word imminent..."