Keir Starmer

hilts said:
Obviously I disagree about your views on the greens but not many who voted green are gonna go to Reform or Tory. Those parties I mentioned(plaid as well) are a consortium of the left, whether the voter moves from party to party isnt of that much importance to the point.
Trying to be 'centre' isnt much use now, you need to go one way or the other. The middle, the risk averse have had their go and we are still talking about the same problems.

Reading both Reform and Green policies and deciding which one you agree with most or which scares you the least(neither list will happen in full) will tell you which side of the fence you morally and ideologically you sit on. And that is your answer.

There is no room for a bit of this a little bit of that, never goes anywhere, its fiddling around the edges, it not change, its not planning for the future.
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I'm sorry and this certainly isn't intended as any kind of personal attack if it catches you, but I think anyone who listens to what the greens have to say and after that, decides to vote for them is hopelessly naive at best and stark raving mad at worst.

The catastrophic flaw in left leaning politics which is only applied the harder left you lean is that it wrongly assumes that government policies do not change behaviours. For example,a belief that you can clobber landlords and this will only benefit the economy and tenants since landlords will just continue as normal and pay up. That none will think sod this for a lark. (I speak as a prior landlord who thought "sod this for a lark" when they doubled the stamp duty - not a Labour move, one of many idiotic Tory ones.)

Or "let's increase capital gains tax and look how much money that will raise". Well in my case, and many others, zero because guess what, I stopped selling things so I don't have to pay it.

Or "let's improve workers rights because that will be great for workers won't it." Not realising that it's crashed hiring rates.

I could go on. Government policies are not tools that generate revenues without consequence.

The hard left Green agenda would be catastrophic for our country. Catastrophic.

I might add it is also proven to not be popular enough amongst the voting public as Milibrain and Corbyn demonstrated multiple times.
 
Speaking as a right wing supporter I'd be very mixed about Streeting as the next PM.

Why? Because I think he's extremely bright and he'd do a decent job. I want that for my country.

And given we very likely have to put up with 3 more years of Labour, he in my view would run the country the best. So a big thumbs up from me.

But on the downside, I think he's infinitely more electable than e.g. Rayner or Milibrain, so would make a future strong right wing majority - what the country desperately needs IMO to shake us out of our doom loop - much less likely.

Do I think Streeting has any chance? Probably not. I think the dimwit Labour MPs will go for Rayner (most likely) or Milibrain, conveniently overlooking the guaranteed general election wipe-out that would follow.

The Tories very ably demonstrated what happend when a party stops looking outwards.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
If he’s as bad as you say, how would him running the country help Manchester?

Like Manchester isn’t part of the country.

You sound like a scouser, mate. ‘Manc, not English’.
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He will never run the country, at least not for long, as the Labour party will get the bums rush at the next General Election.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Fuck knows who advises these people. Do they seriously believe that the general public are impressed by the open neck, rolled up sleeves, crisp white shirt, I mean business, approach ?
They really don't have a fucking clue.
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They will have some fucker on £175k a year in charge of “optics”.

Should stick to the vodka, gin, brandy ones ;-)
 
Vic said:
He'd have got away with not being exciting, but you need some political instinct.
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**Rubs eyes and re-reads message"

AND AGAIN

Are you confirming that Starmer is not fit for post???? Crikey, next you'll be signing up for reform.

80)

Seriously, Starmers (but not the country's) major saving is that there is no one in his Cabinet or on his Back Benches that is fit to take Labour forward, which even I kind of regret. They have totally imploded on a level that smashes what the Tories did.

Genuinely very very sad for British Politics and the country overall.
 
Scottyboi said:
Finland are in NATO and we would be obligated to help them. But I guess getting Farage in power would be a great way for putin to negate that.
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Not a slight against you, but I very much dislike "obligated" when the much more elegant "obliged" is available. It feels like an Americanism, although I have no evidence to back up that assertion.

Back to topic; Starmer is a dead man walking and Streeting is trying to shorten the plank. He'd be a disaster but I'm not convinced Burnham is anything more than hot air himself. When the cupboard looks this bare it becomes apparent why loudhailer politics is taking root, with a lack of reasoned cut through to debunk outlandish promises.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm sorry and this certainly isn't intended as any kind of personal attack if it catches you, but I think anyone who listens to what the greens have to say and after that, decides to vote for them is hopelessly naive at best and stark raving mad at worst.

The catastrophic flaw in left leaning politics which is only applied the harder left you lean is that it wrongly assumes that government policies do not change behaviours. For example,a belief that you can clobber landlords and this will only benefit the economy and tenants since landlords will just continue as normal and pay up. That none will think sod this for a lark. (I speak as a prior landlord who thought "sod this for a lark" when they doubled the stamp duty - not a Labour move, one of many idiotic Tory ones.)

Or "let's increase capital gains tax and look how much money that will raise". Well in my case, and many others, zero because guess what, I stopped selling things so I don't have to pay it.

Or "let's improve workers rights because that will be great for workers won't it." Not realising that it's crashed hiring rates.

I could go on. Government policies are not tools that generate revenues without consequence.

The hard left Green agenda would be catastrophic for our country. Catastrophic.

I might add it is also proven to not be popular enough amongst the voting public as Milibrain and Corbyn demonstrated multiple times.
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There's alot of money sloshing around, yet there's people living in bus shelters as other live on super yachts, 30 year-old kids are living with mum and dad, nurses are using food banks, seriously mentally ill people live amongst us, every road looks like something from WW1 Belgium, A&E is a 6 hour wait. water cost 90 quid a month, energy 170, many working people can only get by with the help of benefits, our rivers are full of shitt, our democracy is very weak, our politicians are owned, we are being tracked everywhere we go, our legal system is approaching collapse, kids leaving uni are starting their working life riddled with debt that never comes down, our food shop cost has doubled, etc etc etc but the REAL problem is Left politics that hasn't been in power since 1978 and has been banned ever since, with anyone making a case for it being crushed by every arm of the establishment from the corporate stenographers to the deep state and foreign governemet actors. Einstein's description of madness!!!!????
 
Ed net zero will be the next prime minister! One thing with him is he don’t waver from what he sets out to do! So won’t get influenced by the back benchers!
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Unfortunately in the social media driven world we live in, Starmer is just not exciting enough.
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I think in politics you need at least 1 of 2 important characteristics. Ideally both.

You need either to be demonstrably super capable, effective, commanding respect. Or you need to be likeable, have some charisma and charm that people warm to.

Thatcher had the former, certainly in her first terms. Blair was unusual and had both. Brown had a bit of the former, none of the latter. Cameron so-so on both.

Starmer scores zero on both categories. Toast.
 
Politics is wrecked in this country.
Binary votes on massively damaging decisions, people voting on one issue, voters mind-manipulated by billionaire media owners, personality over substance, internal party power struggles.
Give me instant 100% personal satisfaction or give me death.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Unfortunately in the social media driven world we live in, Starmer is just not exciting enough.
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In all walks of life , in whatever form that that takes whether its your kids football coach, your manager at work or your prime minister, do we not want that leader to be someone who has charisma, leads from the front with a decent, strong personality ?

Of course we do. No one wants a boring wet flannel.
 
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