Refugee crisis

This is the most pertinent of all the posts I've read on here. The vast majority of these people are are Syrian, Turkey is a benign, secular state that has a population that is 98% muslim, with similar mores and values to their neighbour, Syria. It is a vast, beautiful country with, at present, a healthy economy, so to enter here and then frantically attempt to escape from Turkey suggests that once out of the war zone, people are then choosing Europe for the obvious reasons of it being far richer, and they know the infrastructure will care for them far better, understandable, but not acceptable as far as bona fide asylum is concerned.
When millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, from Africa, Ahghanistan etc; see that if they can just deposit themselves in a western country, the chances of removal being slight, these current numbers will seem trifling.
Heartbreaking though this is the Australian points system and processing off shore has resulted in a sharp decrease in the numbers attempting forced entry, it is inevitable that a similar system will be introduced through Europe eventually, to do otherwise would involve eventual economic collapse.
The problem is though that Turkey already has the largest Syrian refugee population in the world of around 1.75 million which is over 40% of the total. It's quite likely that Turkish services are overwhelmed by this influx and it's entirely understandable that people want to move on to countries more able to accommodate them. Ideally Turkey would be the best country for the refugees because of it's size, relatively low population density and proximity to Syria; so part of the solution should be richer western countries providing aid to Turkey to help them absorb the refugees.
 
Sorry, in the interest of even handedness, can you give me the address where I can drop off some make up supplies to your niece? Been really worried about her since your post.
Put the fucked up tents in your garden and your family's gardens then bring them over.......Much better
 
I'd help every single one of them if I could,,,,,,,but most people banging on about this wouldn't take a refugee family in or have them camping in their garden...

So where do they go once they are here? Who looks after them?

Serious
 
Put the fucked up tents in your garden and your family's gardens then bring them over.......Much better

funnily enough, the people you're taking the piss out of for wanting to help refugees are most likely the very same people that haven taken to the streets to argue against cuts, petitioned their MPs and taken other forms of direct action to try and help UK citizens. What have you done?
 
funnily enough, the people you're taking the piss out of for wanting to help refugees are most likely the very same people that haven taken to the streets to argue against cuts, petitioned their MPs and taken other forms of direct action to try and help UK citizens. What have you done?
listen pal I'm not taking the piss I'm deadly serious.

I'm doing nothing because I'm not an activist nor am I begging to bring them here.

I'm pointing out something which is a serious problem for many people in this country.

Pretending it isn't an issue won't help your argument to bring more and more refugees into the UK
 
Anyway, I don't think many people's minds are going to changed so i'm going to refrain from getting too drawn into the debate. For anyone who does feel strongly on the issue though and thinks we ought to do more to help, this petition is currently receiving more than 100 signatures per minute.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

And if anybody has old clothes (especially mens), tents (even incomplete ones are welcome) or food etc. there are drop off points detailed on this map in Manchester and around the rest of the UK. Donations are being taken by volunteers and distributed among those living in camps around Calais.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?usp=sharing&mid=z0IlKDKjh8U0.kynDNxGpqDP4


Thanks for the info Geoff. Will sort out some old clothing etc this weekend.

You're a wise man for trying to refrain from getting too drawn in to an argument. As you say, some people's views are so entrenched that they aren't going to change unfortunately. I literally can't fathom how some of the utter fuckwits who've contributed to this thread are devoid of even a modicum of empathy for the suffering of other human beings. Maybe a reflection of the nasty society we seem to be becoming.
 
I'd help every single one of them if I could,,,,,,,but most people banging on about this wouldn't take a refugee family in or have them camping in their garden...

So where do they go once they are here? Who looks after them?

Serious

So, the countless other times when we have helped refugees it has resulted in them living in peoples gardens? Why is that your only viable option?
 
Sorry, in the interest of even handedness, can you give me the address where I can drop off some make up supplies to your niece? Been really worried about her since your post.
Ah a funny fucker ay, the point with my Niece was the predicament a lot of young people are finding themselves in having to take any shit job or enrol on any crap course even theatrical makeup, but that has gone way over your head hasn't it Mr Smug sat there with your well paid safe job
 
Why should this be a debate about helping one or the other? The plight of these people fleeing Syria is truly harrowing and a picture of dead kid just pulls on the heartstrings but this is probably happening every day to hundreds of kids. Could we as a country do more? I'm fucking sure we could and it sickens me to think we aren't.

Should we be looking at our own country? Yes absolutely and i totally get that. However, to just take an attitude of fuck them, let someone else help them is not right for me and doesn't sit well with me. Its not just abut saying let them into our country, its about developing policies, process, humanitarian aid that helps these people short term and provides them with safer ways of getting away from murder and persecution in Syria and also long term futures wherever that may be. I don't know the long term answers, but i do know that these people desperately need help and we are in a position to give it them.

And before someone says why don't you open up your house and let them in, it isn't about one or two people helping. This is about helping tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people.
 
listen pal I'm not taking the piss I'm deadly serious

OK, well as people on the "for" side of the debate keep explaining, there is a belief that we DO have the money and resource to give both UK citizens AND refugees from abroad a fairer deal. As previously mentioned, the richest have doubled their wealth in the uk since the recession began, we're continuing to facilitate tax avoidance on a huge scale and we've cut corporation and inheritance tax. Meanwhile less than 10% of the entire country is actually even built on. These are the areas where we're saying money and space can be found to take A SHARE of the refugees. Not all of them, but certainly more than the 261 we've taken from Syria since last May.
 
OK, well as people on the "for" side of the debate keep explaining, there is a belief that we DO have the money and resource to give both UK citizens AND refugees from abroad a fairer deal. As previously mentioned, the richest have doubled their wealth in the uk since the recession began, we're continuing to facilitate tax avoidance on a huge scale and we've cut corporation and inheritance tax. Meanwhile less than 10% of the entire country is actually even built on. These are the areas where we're saying money and space can be found to take A SHARE of the refugees. Not all of them, but certainly more than the 261 we've taken from Syria since last May.
Yes yes ,,,but where do they live NOW.....the rest of your post isn't happening any time soon.
 
Ah a funny fucker ay, the point with my Niece was the predicament a lot of young people are finding themselves in having to take any shit job or enrol on any crap course even theatrical makeup, but that has gone way over your head hasn't it Mr Smug sat there with your well paid safe job

For the record, I earn below average wage (though would gladly pay more in tax if required to give younger people in this country more opportunities.) However, we're allowing the richest in this country to rob us all blind and if we stopped doing that, we could do a lot more to help those who need both at home and abroad.
 
Why should this be a debate about helping one or the other? The plight of these people fleeing Syria is truly harrowing and a picture of dead kid just pulls on the heartstrings but this is probably happening every day to hundreds of kids. Could we as a country do more? I'm fucking sure we could and it sickens me to think we aren't.

Should we be looking at our own country? Yes absolutely and i totally get that. However, to just take an attitude of fuck them, let someone else help them is not right for me and doesn't sit well with me. Its not just abut saying let them into our country, its about developing policies, process, humanitarian aid that helps these people short term and provides them with safer ways of getting away from murder and persecution in Syria and also long term futures wherever that may be. I don't know the long term answers, but i do know that these people desperately need help and we are in a position to give it them.

And before someone says why don't you open up your house and let them in, it isn't about one or two people helping. This is about helping tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people.

Good post. There are some smug macho bullshit sentences being thrown around but this is how most people feel I'd hope.
 
Yes yes ,,,but where do they live NOW.....the rest of your post isn't happening any time soon.

there are over one million homes lying empty in Britain.


I'm going to leave it there now. I think our views are essentially too different on this. We'll keep throwing questions at each other and providing answers but i doubt we'll get anywhere.
 
For the record, I earn below average wage (though would gladly pay more in tax if required to give younger people in this country more opportunities.) However, we're allowing the richest in this country to rob us all blind and if we stopped doing that, we could do a lot more to help those who need both at home and abroad.
agree but that's a long term issue..........this is happening now. These people need help...........if they are genuine refugees we have a responsibility but I just don't see how with what is happening on the ground in this country right now.

Doctors and nurses teachers etc etc...all under stress and pressure on a huge scale. No money in council coffers. Housing crisis.......

No one is addressing this for these poor people or the poor of this country.

Stating there are one million empty homes in the Uk doesn't really help does it. Why are they empty? Are they affordable? How will refugees pay the rent......

Concrete solutions not ifs and buts......It's not easy is it
 

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