Club Badge (merged)

Shaelumstash said:
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Rafael Esquer (NYCFC badge designer) has said he's not been approached by the club yet, but he knows all about Manchester City, he loves us and he'd fly to Manchester tomorrow to be involved.

He also commented on Gav's design above and said he thinks the three stripes and the Maltese cross should be included, but suggests he could improve the design even further. I hope they do get him involved because I think NYCFC's badge is absolutely superb and if he could design something similarly as iconic for us I'm sure we'd all be delighted.
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The 3 stripes do not represent the three rivers, it's a myth. This part of the first badge is actually a shield from the coat of arms of the De Grelley family, issued to Roger De Grelley. The De Grelleys were the feudal lords of Manchester when it was issued with its charter in 1301.

Source Manchester.gov.uk

Also as mentioned on previous pages the 3 main historical colours are sky/ Cambridge blue, white and navy blue. (Though I do prefer what is/ was known as maroon)

For me the ship is the biggest constant on the badge, but it would be bare as a symbol on its own.

I grew up with the red rose and shield badges but I think that a new one should be a stripped down version of the current one without the budgie and fast food stars.

Edit: the definition of Cambridge blue has altered over the years and the original colour is not the same as Cambridge university rowing colours
 
franksinatra said:
I have waited for this moment for a long time and really hope sense prevails and we ditch the stupid, gimmicky badge we currently have which was at the behest (if memory serves me correct) of a fly-by night kit manufacturer.

The changing of the badge to the two historical badges, which are synonomous with our history is surely the only possible decision.

Using stupid eagles and stars is frankly small time, a rip off from another club and is more suited to the Hulls, Cardiff Citys of this world.

Badge number two for me. It is crisp, the writing looks great on the white background and is a badge probably the majority of our supporters base identify with.

Number 1 and 2 are OUR badges. The third shows how far we plummeted by adopting something associated with other clubs. It was a betrayal of our identity.
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Hear, hear. I was oblivious to the badge thing till many years ago (too worried about the shenanigans on the pitch). Anyway I went into Mary D's before a game and some bloke carrying a large piece of hardboard with about 200 badges on it came over so I picked the 1972-1997 piece. Since then I cant look at the Eagle without feeling unwell. The only bit I like is the latin. I never understood why we couldn't trademark the older ones. Someone mentioned City sold the rights. Probably for a few grand. In fact license deals are around 15 years so maybe City recently got the rights back after selling them off post 1997/8.
 
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I'd like to see the Lancashire rose, the latin, the three rivers, a ship, the original Maltese cross, MCFC initials - all in one.

I'd like the club to take proposed badges, from fans and professional designers alike and come up with three crests - then let registered club members (Cityzens; Seasoncard holders etc) vote between three new badges or the three previous crests. Do the vote in a way where your first choice carries 10 points; 2nd choice gets 4 points; 3rd gets 3 points; 4th gets 2 points; 5th gets a point and last choice gets points. Publish the votes too. Total democracy and fan action.

A round crest would surely end the need for a shield beneath the crest. It looked awful on Umbro kits over a shield.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I love the main elements of Gav's design, but I agree with you, the tiny latin writing and text in the background is just not needed and looks fussy. The core design though is exactly what I'd want to see - roundel, full club name, Manchester Coat of arms in the middle. It's simple, as most iconic brands are.

I'd be really interested to see your interpretation if you are a professional designer?

The guy who did the NYCFC one is called Rafael Esquer. People have approached him on Twitter and he said he's not been approached by the club yet, but he knows all about Manchester City, he loves us and he'd fly to Manchester tomorrow to be involved. He also commented on Gav's main design and said he thinks the three stripes and the Maltese cross should be included. I hope they do get him involved because I think NYCFC's badge is absolutely superb and if he could design something similarly as iconic for us I'm sure we'd all be delighted.
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I've thought about giving a go but never had the time to really think about it

I did this for our supporters group. Obviously vibing off the NYCFC design. I was so pumped when it came out i did my own version of it.

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Can't wait to see what they come up with after this 4 week consult is over
 
Voting/views etc. to be done as Cityzens or via City Voice.

Am I the only one worried about the number of non-local fans (i.e. international fans who tend to be more involved with the club via the internet and who may know little about our city and history) having too big an influence over it given a large number of local fans (if not most) aren't that arsed about Cityzens stuff usually?

Depends on the options we're given but they may be more likely to favour the current one for example if that's all they know, or other options that may reflect the city poorly. Obviously I feel the views of local fans/fans with connections to Manchester/long-time fans/fans who know the history of the club's identity are more valuable than someone abroad who has a mere interest in City and is a registered 'Cityzen' as the badge should represent the city and be in keeping with history.

I assume by Cityzens they mean all rather than just members with access to buy tickets (such as the old blue card members or season ticket holders) - not sure of the ins and outs of the current system.

I assume we'll change to a circular badge but I just hope it's the best it can be. Personally I'm not keen on having any red whatsoever (other than lancashire rose, which probably isn't appropriate anymore) as that badge was before my time and we've evolved.
 
CitizenTID said:
Voting/views etc. to be done as Cityzens or via City Voice.

Am I the only one worried about the number of non-local fans (i.e. international fans who tend to be more involved with the club via the internet and who may know little about our city and history) having too big an influence over it given a large number of local fans (if not most) aren't that arsed about Cityzens stuff usually?

Depends on the options we're given but they may be more likely to favour the current one for example if that's all they know, or other options that may reflect the city poorly. Obviously I feel the views of local fans/fans with connections to Manchester/long-time fans/fans who know the history of the club's identity are more valuable than someone abroad who has a mere interest in City and is a registered 'Cityzen' as the badge should represent the city and be in keeping with history.

I assume by Cityzens they mean all rather than just members with access to buy tickets (such as the old blue card members or season ticket holders) - not sure of the ins and outs of the current system.

I assume we'll change to a circular badge but I just hope it's the best it can be. Personally I'm not keen on having any red whatsoever (other than lancashire rose, which probably isn't appropriate anymore) as that badge was before my time.
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I think 'Cityzens' (always cringe at the name) is just club members. Season ticket holders are automatically 'Cityzens' and match going fans make up the majority of Cityzens members. I think regular match going fans will have a huge say. According to the article below there is going to be questionaire and a consultation office at the ground on Saturday.

Hopefully the fly by night casual fan won't be too inclined to spend their time making their voice heard on the club badge. It seems 90% of blues on here are of very similar opinion that we'd like a roundel badge that includes the Manchester CoA. It's fantastic that the club are engaging with fans on this and allowing our voices to be heard. It's also a smart move that this is only open to members so that the process can't be hijacked by a load of idiot reds voting for us to keep the loathed 3 stars!!

Apologies to those politically offended by the Daily Mail, but there's a good article here which goes in to a lot more depth than the other ones I've read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...es-crest-bid-resolve-long-running-debate.html
 
CitizenTID said:
Voting/views etc. to be done as Cityzens or via City Voice.

Am I the only one worried about the number of non-local fans (i.e. international fans who tend to be more involved with the club via the internet and who may know little about our city and history) having too big an influence over it given a large number of local fans (if not most) aren't that arsed about Cityzens stuff usually?

Depends on the options we're given but they may be more likely to favour the current one for example if that's all they know, or other options that may reflect the city poorly. Obviously I feel the views of local fans/fans with connections to Manchester/long-time fans/fans who know the history of the club's identity are more valuable than someone abroad who has a mere interest in City and is a registered 'Cityzen' as the badge should represent the city and be in keeping with history.

I assume by Cityzens they mean all rather than just members with access to buy tickets (such as the old blue card members or season ticket holders) - not sure of the ins and outs of the current system.

I assume we'll change to a circular badge but I just hope it's the best it can be. Personally I'm not keen on having any red whatsoever (other than lancashire rose, which probably isn't appropriate anymore) as that badge was before my time and we've evolved.
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Good points and good post.
 
GeekinGav said:
nooooo i havent .... i done nothing ... i have no idea what anyone is talking about ..... shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have you tried one with black as the background to the three stripes to resemble St. Marks but with the other parts (e.g. circle) in sky blue/white modern colour scheme? Not sure on the background behind the ship, white/black/sky blue whichever would look best. That without the crosses (or any other symbol at the sides) could be cool. I prefer how you've laid out the text than how the old badges had it certainly - it's tidier.
 
GeekinGav said:
stop it .... people wont leave me alone as it is .... lol
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Unlucky mate.

If I could just say about your popular one that's floating around.

Could you switch up the exact same design but with trying several different club colours out?

For example the text being white instead of Navy blue, maroon instead of gold. A bit less gold, a bit more white etc.

Maybe try a sky blue shield with gold stripes etc?

Just an idea, would be greatly appreciated mate as I think your design is onto a winner.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I think 'Cityzens' (always cringe at the name) is just club members. Season ticket holders are automatically 'Cityzens' and match going fans make up the majority of Cityzens members. I think regular match going fans will have a huge say. According to the article below there is going to be questionaire and a consultation office at the ground on Saturday.

Hopefully the fly by night casual fan won't be too inclined to spend their time making their voice heard on the club badge. It seems 90% of blues on here are of very similar opinion that we'd like a roundel badge that includes the Manchester CoA. It's fantastic that the club are engaging with fans on this and allowing our voices to be heard. It's also a smart move that this is only open to members so that the process can't be hijacked by a load of idiot reds voting for us to keep the loathed 3 stars!!

Apologies to those politically offended by the Daily Mail, but there's a good article here which goes in to a lot more depth than the other ones I've read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...es-crest-bid-resolve-long-running-debate.html
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nice little dig at united at the end there
 
CitizenTID said:
Have you tried one with black as the background to the three stripes to resemble St. Marks but with the other parts (e.g. circle) in sky blue/white modern colour scheme? Not sure on the background behind the ship, white/black/sky blue whichever would look best. That without the crosses (or any other symbol at the sides) could be cool. I prefer how you've laid out the text than how the old badges had it certainly - it's tidier.
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think i have done every variation over the years ... i hope that will save me .... trouble is the subject is marmite .. whatever City come up with, half will love it, half will hate it. Silly move now to change it, should just stick with what they have and lose the shield on kits ideally lol
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Unlucky mate.

If I could just say about your popular one that's floating around.

Could you switch up the exact same design but with trying several different club colours out?

For example the text being white instead of Navy blue, maroon instead of gold. A bit less gold, a bit more white etc.

Maybe try a sky blue shield with gold stripes etc?

Just an idea, would be greatly appreciated mate as I think your design is onto a winner.
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i would mate ... but its best i do absolutely nothing at the moment... til we know more about what is going on.
 
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