Oleg Shatov

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They're his best highlights? Figured I'd give it a watch & give him a chance but they're not very impressive.

Just the pass at 1:57 is enough to make me fed up with him.

These videos are made to make players look good; you've claimed yourself on here that he's on a par with KdB - yet just search for an equivalent video for KdB to see how far behind he is in a far weaker league.

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KDB's individual highlights. Earlier I shared individual highlights of Shatov. KDB would be a pretty average player according to @Prestwich_Blue , just look at the amount of misplaced/overhit passes.

KDB is a great player and so is Shatov, but one plays in a better league but the other one has performed better at the CL so far. I just wish people would appreciate great players instead of finding flaws.
 
So he was better than Sterling yesterday, now he's as good as Kev. I can see the great debate by the end of the month; "Pele, Maradona or Shatov?"
 
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KDB's individual highlights. Earlier I shared individual highlights of Shatov. KDB would be a pretty average player according to @Prestwich_Blue , just look at the amount of misplaced/overhit passes.

KDB is a great player and so is Shatov, but one plays in a better league but the other one has performed better at the CL so far. I just wish people would appreciate great players instead of finding flaws.

You posted a video of his "best highlights" as you stated yourself. I replied to that by saying take a look at a comparable video, so you compare "best highlights" to "individual match highlights" which you yourself earlier said never look as good, what logic is that? Here, try this one and tell me who's a better player (KdB is younger & playing in tougher leagues):



Nothing to do with finding flaws, I do appreciate great players, the video you showed had 1 great pass for an assist with the outside of the foot, but other than that there was next to nothing - a few dribbles that led nowhere, 1 bog standard goal and some mistakes; from supposedly his best highlights they're nothing but disappointing when you compare to the players you're stating he's as good as.
 
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You posted a video of his "best highlights" as you stated yourself. I replied to that by saying take a look at a comparable video, so you compare "best highlights" to "individual match highlights" which you yourself earlier said never look as good, what logic is that? Here, try this one and tell me who's a better player (KdB is younger & playing in tougher leagues):



Nothing to do with finding flaws, I do appreciate great players, the video you showed had 1 great pass for an assist with the outside of the foot, but other than that there was next to nothing - a few dribbles that led nowhere, 1 bog standard goal and some mistakes; from supposedly his best highlights they're nothing but disappointing when you compare to the players you're stating he's as good as.


My post was more of a response to @Prestwich_Blue who was criticising Shatov because he had some misplaced passes in one of his individual highlights. So I'm just pointing out every single player has those misplaced passes/mistakes/ whatever you wanna call it. Also understand the video I posted is compiled from 3 games worth of footage where as your video is KDB of an entire season, of course a whole season worth of footage will have extra goals/assists. You're not doing yourself much favour by underling "comparable" when your video is not much comparative. Another thing, Russian League isn't watched by many and there aren't many of these "goals, assists" videos of players. I wish I could show more latest highlights of Shatov. So far this season,

Shatov 12 games, 6 goals, 5 assist in League. KDB has 3 goals, 4 assists in 8 games. Both great players. Yes Shatov plays in a weaker league, but Shatov has been the better player in the CL. I think these are both great players.
 
My post was more of a response to @Prestwich_Blue who was criticising Shatov because he had some misplaced passes in one of his individual highlights. So I'm just pointing out every single player has those misplaced passes/mistakes/ whatever you wanna call it. Also understand the video I posted is compiled from 3 games worth of footage where as your video is KDB of an entire season, of course a whole season worth of footage will have extra goals/assists. You're not doing yourself much favour by underling "comparable" when your video is not much comparative. Another thing, Russian League isn't watched by many and there aren't many of these "goals, assists" videos of players. I wish I could show more latest highlights of Shatov. So far this season,

Shatov 12 games, 6 goals, 5 assist in League. KDB has 3 goals, 4 assists in 8 games. Both great players. Yes Shatov plays in a weaker league, but Shatov has been the better player in the CL. I think these are both great players.
So to respond to another user you quote my comment & respond to me? Seems a sensible way of doing things.

You said those highlights were the "best highlights" of Shatov, not some mediocre crap from 3 matches - thus my video was a comparison to that; best highlights of Shatov to best highlights of De Bruyne, not my fault if Shatov can only manage a highlight reel from a couple of matches.

As others with knowledge of Russian football have posted he's been pretty average (at best) in previous years, 12 or so games of good form is not even close to comparable to many seasons of playing at a very high level. It's like claiming Vardy is as good as Ronaldo/Messi as he's been banging in as many goals as them this season.

But anyway, I'll leave you to your delusions as you don't really have any reasonable arguments, you jump off topic, ignore points & repeat the same arguments that many others have shown to be nonsense anyway.
 
My post was more of a response to @Prestwich_Blue who was criticising Shatov because he had some misplaced passes in one of his individual highlights. So I'm just pointing out every single player has those misplaced passes/mistakes/ whatever you wanna call it. Also understand the video I posted is compiled from 3 games worth of footage where as your video is KDB of an entire season, of course a whole season worth of footage will have extra goals/assists. You're not doing yourself much favour by underling "comparable" when your video is not much comparative. Another thing, Russian League isn't watched by many and there aren't many of these "goals, assists" videos of players. I wish I could show more latest highlights of Shatov. So far this season,

Shatov 12 games, 6 goals, 5 assist in League. KDB has 3 goals, 4 assists in 8 games. Both great players. Yes Shatov plays in a weaker league, but Shatov has been the better player in the CL. I think these are both great players.
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So to respond to another user you quote my comment & respond to me? Seems a sensible way of doing things.

You said those highlights were the "best highlights" of Shatov, not some mediocre crap from 3 matches - thus my video was a comparison to that; best highlights of Shatov to best highlights of De Bruyne, not my fault if Shatov can only manage a highlight reel from a couple of matches.

As others with knowledge of Russian football have posted he's been pretty average (at best) in previous years, 12 or so games of good form is not even close to comparable to many seasons of playing at a very high level. It's like claiming Vardy is as good as Ronaldo/Messi as he's been banging in as many goals as them this season.

But anyway, I'll leave you to your delusions as you don't really have any reasonable arguments, you jump off topic, ignore points & repeat the same arguments that many others have shown to be nonsense anyway.
Others with "knowledge of Russian football"? Lmao, I don't think anyone here has actually ever watched Shatov play irl, to formulate such opinon. As I said, Russian League isn't exactly mainstream so you don't have many Youtubers posting clips of players like Shatov.

The video I linked involved Shatov scoring a goal, assisting 3 goals and creating a dozen chances. If that's mediocre, then that's whatever.
 
Others with "knowledge of Russian football"? Lmao, I don't think anyone here has actually ever watched Shatov play irl, to formulate such opinon. As I said, Russian League isn't exactly mainstream so you don't have many Youtubers posting clips of players like Shatov.

The video I linked involved Shatov scoring a goal, assisting 3 goals and creating a dozen chances. If that's mediocre, then that's whatever.
Can't argue with your first sentence.

If most people on this Board were honest, there are probably very few posters who watch other leagues. The vast majority will get their opinion of a player from YouTube, video games, Twatter, fucking stats and obviously from the opinions of people they trust. Unfortunately for you, it appears no one values your opinion - only time will tell if you're right.

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Can't argue with your first sentence.

If most people on this Board were honest, there are probably very few posters who watch other leagues. The vast majority will get their opinion of a player from YouTube, video games, Twatter, fucking stats and obviously from the opinions of people they trust. Unfortunately for you, it appears no one values your opinion - only time will tell if you're right.

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I tend not to listen to WUMs on the tinterweb, its why I rarely listen to you for example. The only merit your last post has is the gif, which I like.
 
I can't believe I've only just found this thread.

Shit, Shite and Shatov all went out for tea.
Shit shite with all his might, right in Shatovs tea.

Thank you and goodnight.
 
Others with "knowledge of Russian football"? Lmao, I don't think anyone here has actually ever watched Shatov play irl, to formulate such opinon. As I said, Russian League isn't exactly mainstream so you don't have many Youtubers posting clips of players like Shatov.

The video I linked involved Shatov scoring a goal, assisting 3 goals and creating a dozen chances. If that's mediocre, then that's whatever.
And I posted a video of a player who's supposedly on an even level with him performing far better and you got upset that it covered more matches.

Feel free to compare the stats of the 2 players in question over the last few seasons to see who's been the better player (in fact don't waste your time, it's not Shatov).

Unfortunately for you, it appears no one values your opinion - only time will tell if you're right.

Nothing unfortunate about it, his opinion has nothing to back it up other than 3/4 CL games this season & 12 (?) league games - these games supposedly prove he's a better player than Sterling & as good as De Bruyne. Even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If there was a reasonable point of view put forward (e.g. "look how he's improved this season; could be worth keeping an eye on") rather than clearly overselling someone to an obsessive level then maybe people might take him seriously. It's to the point where it's hard to tell either way whether he actually does rate Shatov that much or he's just a large WUM & likes the attention from it. (In fact it's almost certainly the latter but I still enjoy having a debate on silly topics)
 
Can't argue with your first sentence.

If most people on this Board were honest, there are probably very few posters who watch other leagues. The vast majority will get their opinion of a player from YouTube, video games, Twatter, fucking stats and obviously from the opinions of people they trust. Unfortunately for you, it appears no one values your opinion - only time will tell if you're right.

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And I posted a video of a player who's supposedly on an even level with him performing far better and you got upset that it covered more matches.

Feel free to compare the stats of the 2 players in question over the last few seasons to see who's been the better player (in fact don't waste your time, it's not Shatov).



Nothing unfortunate about it, his opinion has nothing to back it up other than 3/4 CL games this season & 12 (?) league games - these games supposedly prove he's a better player than Sterling & as good as De Bruyne. Even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If there was a reasonable point of view put forward (e.g. "look how he's improved this season; could be worth keeping an eye on") rather than clearly overselling someone to an obsessive level then maybe people might take him seriously. It's to the point where it's hard to tell either way whether he actually does rate Shatov that much or he's just a large WUM & likes the attention from it. (In fact it's almost certainly the latter but I still enjoy having a debate on silly topics)

If you actually read my history of posting about Shatov, you would find that I have always said such things about Shatov, that you are wanting me to say. In fact, I always said Shatov is the type of player that is "worth keeping an eye on" because he will be the next thing in football. I have experience in what I am talking about, you don't. I have tracked Hazard, Mata, kDB all before they turned mainstream. Yes, of course he has improved. His stats this season speaks volumes about his improvement, I don't necessarily need to say this.

I absolutely do agree about KDB being a better player than Shatov last season and season before, that's no shit. But you would find my argumentation about Shatov is all based on this season. This season, Shatov is just as good as KDB. And all fairness, it's the present that counts the most. You can't use past seasons to compare players. That's like preferring Rooney over Kane because Rooney has a better past, where as Kane hasn't been impressive pre 14/15.

I have never, I repeat, I have never said Shatov has always been a great player. His season this year, could be comparable to KDB last season at Wolfsburg actually, where it's the season transforming the player's potential into a finished product. In fact, before KDB's breakthrough Wolfsburg season, he was never seen as a "great" player. He had always showed great future potential at Genk, Bremen but he never had a finish product (such as goals), which is what Shatov was before this season. I would argue what Coutinho is currently. A player with huge potential but still can't find the finishing touch, but I know he has the killer instinct to score a lot of goals in a season. He's only managed 5 goals, 5 assists last season. Yet, anyone who watches him, knows he is much much more capable. He still hasn't matured as a talent.

Anyways, let's allow time decide. KDB highest goal tally is 10 in a season. Shatov is likely to break it if he carries this form. In all honesty, lets be fair, it's international break and not much to discuss about footy. I'd debate about Shatov lol.
 
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