Attacks in Paris

coleridge said:
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yaya goes there for Juma and gets left well alone [so please no-one disturb him there]. Sadly, the only trouble I've ever know there was was family-related [my family, that is. #sigh].
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I was captain of one of the tug of war teams, bit odd being called brother by everyone but soon got used to it!
 
chabal said:
How do you know they never come forward?

If a Muslim has concerns that an Imam (not an Inman) is trying to radicalise people then I'm guessing that they would perhaps go to the police before they create a thread on Bluemoon and tell you about it.
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I know this is a serious subject but I couldnt help thinking "I'm free!!" when i read that.

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@Chris in London
Regarding the previous twitter stuff, I think she's spent too much mind-bending time in India!

Anyway, check out https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy. Egyptian feminist non-apologist. I liker her a lot.

She gets shit from Muslims, Non-Muslims, whoever, She doesn't care. For example...

Mona Eltahawy ‏@monaeltahawy 22m22 minutes ago
Mona Eltahawy Retweeted Sofia Ahmed

Islamophobjc troll friends. Perfect foil for "Islamic Terror Bitch" which I've also been called.Have more rope,Sofia
 
Matty said:
Religious affiliation on a World wide scale, when compared to religious affiliation within the UK, seem to be on very different trends. According to the Pew Research Facility the religiously unaffiliated - referring to atheists, agnostics and other people who do not identify with a religion - are declining as a share of the world's overall population. However they also attest that, by 2100, it's distinctly possible that those who consider themselves to have no religion will outnumber the religious in the UK. In 2010 64.3% of UK residents were Christian, 4.8% Muslim and 1.4% Hindu, with 27.8% non-religious. By 2050 Pew estimates both Hindu and Muslim numbers will increase, to 2% and 11.3% respectively, however Christianity will decrease to 45.4%. Non-religious will increase to 38.9%. In fact, Europe as a whole, is expected to see a decrease, by something in the region of 100,000,000, of Christians by 2050. The Worldwide increase in religious affiliation by 2050 is attributed to the rampant growth in numbers of Muslims, facilitated by high birth rates, and high populations, in areas of high Muslim affiliation, such as western and northern Africa, the middle east, and the "stans" area of Asia (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan etc etc).

So, to summarise, overall religious numbers are on an upward trend, however this is primarily down to growth in the number of Muslims, predominantly in the 3rd World. The western world is seeing a decrease in the numbers of Christians, and an increase in the numbers of non-religious. It's entirely possible that, in 100 or so years time we'll see a western world which is more than 50% non-religious, and a third world which is 90%+ religious, with the vast majority being Muslim.
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Sadly it seems correct about the UK. I said earlier that we are a post Christian society and it's true of several Western European countries. There is a growing disconnect between the generations too. Personally I look to the future with great apprehension, our culture seems to have been uprooted and is dying.
 
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George Hannah said:
Absolutely correct, I said earlier that the UK was a post Christian society and it's true of several Western European countries. There is a growing disconnect between the generations too. Personally I look to the future with great apprehension, our culture seems to have been uprooted and is dying.
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im not sure if those figures are correct tbh a lot of people dont go church or say they are christian but still believe in god and a lot of the christian values . Im noticing lots of people my age 21 and around with this belief and more young people joining church groups. I'm probably wrong, but a lot more young people seem to be getting religious wether they class themselves as christians or not.
 
They are really struggling following these airstrikes, a lot of casualties. Also read that a lot of the militants and their families are fleeing to Mosul.
 
On the subject of religion, what I can' work out is this. Why did God send his son to redeem us all 2000 years ago and his main prophet Mo not long after? 2000 years ago there were no smart bombs, guns, nuclear weapons, no cctv, proper historical recordsites. Nor were we polluting the atmosphere or exhausting the earth's natural resources to the extent we are today.

Now I find it kind of difficult God is evil enough to watch us destroy ourselves like we are presently doing as the holy books suggest he/she/it is not. Is God unable to help us out? Did God play his joker 2000 years ago and is no longer able to help us out? Seems a bit strange that God would be impotent to help us out and has to sit there watching people blow each other up in his name.

If any religious people would like to clear that up for me then I would be grateful.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
On the subject of religion, what I can' work out is this. Why did God send his son to redeem us all 2000 years ago and his main prophet Mo not long after? 2000 years ago there were no smart bombs, guns, nuclear weapons, no cctv, proper historical recordsites. Nor were we polluting the atmosphere or exhausting the earth's natural resources to the extent we are today.

Now I find it kind of difficult God is evil enough to watch us destroy ourselves like we are presently doing as the holy books suggest he/she/it is not. Is God unable to help us out? Did God play his joker 2000 years ago and is no longer able to help us out? Seems a bit strange that God would be impotent to help us out and has to sit there watching people blow each other up in his name.

If any religious people would like to clear that up for me then I would be grateful.
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Hey that would make a great new thread title....................

Anyway.... Paris last Friday...............
 
coleridge said:
I don't need any sympathy, kind of you as it is.

Do yourself a favour and read between the lines that people write and see how the tilt is always to Islam and never to any other religion. Neither do I understand how the atheists seem to think that they can rise above the arguments that surround Middle East politics, such as oil, the arms trade and, inevitably, Israel.
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Mate, rather than implying Islam gets more focus than other religions due to some kind of bigotry against Muslims, has it ever occurred to you that it's because Islam is currently responsible for the vast majority of religiously motivated violence in the world at present?

Suicide bombers, ethnic cleansing, genocide, rape and sex slaves, terrorism.

These are all things being done by people claiming to follow the 'right' interpretation of Islam as they see it at present.

Why would you be surprised when people are more fearful and critical of Islam than say Christianity or Hinduism in this context?
 
Someone in Islamic circles knows which direction to point these would be terrorists in and i believe plenty of people in the very same circles turn a blind eye to it, i cant imagine they ask the local bobby for directions.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Mate, rather than implying Islam gets more focus than other religions due to some kind of bigotry against Muslims, has it ever occurred to you that it's because Islam is currently responsible for the vast majority of religiously motivated violence in the world at present?

Suicide bombers, ethnic cleansing, genocide, rape and sex slaves, terrorism.

These are all things being done by people claiming to follow the 'right' interpretation of Islam as they see it at present.

Why would you be surprised when people are more fearful and critical of Islam than say Christianity or Hinduism in this context?
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Islam, always somebody else’s fault.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Mate, rather than implying Islam gets more focus than other religions due to some kind of bigotry against Muslims, has it ever occurred to you that it's because Islam is currently responsible for the vast majority of religiously motivated violence in the world at present?

Suicide bombers, ethnic cleansing, genocide, rape and sex slaves, terrorism.

These are all things being done by people claiming to follow the 'right' interpretation of Islam as they see it at present.

Why would you be surprised when people are more fearful and critical of Islam than say Christianity or Hinduism in this context?
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Racist
 
Confirmed that the raid has eliminated a team of people with concrete plans to carry out further attacks in Paris.
 
Another thing I'd point out to the people who are routinely dismissing a link in all this violence to the actual doctrine in the Koran; that IS aren't 'real' or 'true' Muslims etc.

You know who else has been saying that this week? Another Jihadi group in Northern Syria, as they executed several members of IS on a little dirt track, blowing their heads off with shotguns.

It's on Liveleak with English subs if anyone want to look for it. Although it is obviously highly graphic, as a warning. What's highly interesting about it though is that its narration is translated into English, and it gives you a very real insight into their worldview, the role theology plays in their beliefs.

One thing you'll notice is that their chief executioner repeatedly cites the Koran, directly quoting it, and condemns IS as not being real Muslims. Accuses them of being in bed with Israel and Iran.

To say Islam has no role in this violence is about the most intellectually dishonest thing someone can tell you.

It's obviously shit that ordinary, well adjusted Muslims get tarred by these extremists by association, but you can't dismiss reality because it's an uncomfortable truth.

I don't know what the solution is, but I know that seemingly well intentioned dishonesty isn't really helping solve anything.
 
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