Media bias against City

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Prestwich_Blue said:
And there we have it, for those who debunk the notion that there's no media agenda against us in favour of the so-called "big clubs". Someone who was on the inside (and I know LT) telling you how it worked.
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This is what I think goes on. The most popular teams bring the most viewers/hits so they get bias coverage. That is normal imo. City will benefit from it one day.

The bias on the pitch is what concerns me more, City seem to get the rub of the green a lot less from refs than other teams and I do wonder how much of that is down to refs being slightly biased. Would be good to see some stats on penalties/fouls not given but I guess cant report on what desnt happen.
 
malg said:
OK, still keeping score of the BBC Gossip Column stories. I've been keeping a note of how many times the following clubs get mentions in that column as it takes stories from all over the media. Our score is more remarkable given the fact that we're possibly getting the most sought after manager in world football - fuck knows what the Rag score would be if they were getting Guardiola. Anyway, since 1 Nov 15:

Rags - 309
Chelsea - 262 (approx 60 were about Mourinho)
Arsenal - 164
Liverpool - 161
City - 127
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But in reality the majority of those stories are made up, it's really click bait, wumming and professional trolling, that's why it's is under the gossip column. The media, mostly the rag tops have a license to print what they want especially "transfer gossip" as they are not liable and clubs usually don't stoop to their level to deny them.
I thought every football fan knew that!
 
tramazi said:
This is what I think goes on. The most popular teams bring the most viewers/hits so they get bias coverage. That is normal imo. City will benefit from it one day.

The bias on the pitch is what concerns me more, City seem to get the rub of the green a lot less from refs than other teams and I do wonder how much of that is down to refs being slightly biased. Would be good to see some stats on penalties/fouls not given but I guess cant report on what desnt happen.
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The problem with that is penalties not given is completely subjective. Even on Match of the Day, with the benefit of replays, agreement is not always reached on whether it was a penalty or not. Over the last 6 years city have received the most (with Chelsea) and conceded the less in comparison to our rivals Utd, Chelsea, Pool, Arsenal.

Interestingly City have a + 27 comparing for and against. Arsenal in comparison have a -1. A difference of 28 goals over 6 seasons.
 
Not really media bias but amusing to read Sunday times reporter saying it was 'rather uncharitable if not inaccurate' when we were singing 'it should've been 10' to the Norwich fans. Ok they do have green and yellow scarves, they're a bit shit and half the town are rags.
 
franksinatra said:
The problem with that is penalties not given is completely subjective. Even on Match of the Day, with the benefit of replays, agreement is not always reached on whether it was a penalty or not. Over the last 6 years city have received the most (with Chelsea) and conceded the less in comparison to our rivals Utd, Chelsea, Pool, Arsenal.

Interestingly City have a + 27 comparing for and against. Arsenal in comparison have a -1. A difference of 28 goals over 6 seasons.
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Complete b@llox, I've seen penalties given this weekend (including Spurs just now) that have looked less like penalties than the 5 we have not been awarded in the last 5 games.

As for our penalty stats, if you actually take the time to see the games where we have been awarded penalties over the last few seasons, the vast majority have been in games where we have been winning comfortably and very, very few have been game changing. Stats very often are about context. I found your stats so hard to believe (you specifically have quoted that nonsense previously) so took the time to look.

When I can be inclined I will do this again and post it on here but if anyone else is at a loose end feel free. Your continual denial of this bias in the face of such compelling evidence as a city fan is puzzling.
 
I find it strange that the rags attendance from last night still hasn't made the headlines.
I've read the daily mail, the sun, the people, looked on fotmob on my phone and every other game has the attendance figure apart from the rags game.
I'd call that a complete media bias and great pr work from the pricks that work for them.
Could any lurking rags on here tell us berties what the actual attendance was?
Plenty of red shiny seats was in full view.
20,000 would be ironic.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Complete b@llox, I've seen penalties given this weekend (including Spurs just now) that have looked less like penalties than the 5 we have not been awarded in the last 5 games.

As for our penalty stats, if you actually take the time to see the games where we have been awarded penalties over the last few seasons, the vast majority have been in games where we have been winning comfortably and very, very few have been game changing. Stats very often are about context. I found your stats so hard to believe (you specifically have quoted that nonsense previously) so took the time to look.

When I can be inclined I will do this again and post it on here but if anyone else is at a loose end feel free. Your continual denial of this bias in the face of such compelling evidence as a city fan is puzzling.
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Very eloquently put.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Complete b@llox, I've seen penalties given this weekend (including Spurs just now) that have looked less like penalties than the 5 we have not been awarded in the last 5 games.

As for our penalty stats, if you actually take the time to see the games where we have been awarded penalties over the last few seasons, the vast majority have been in games where we have been winning comfortably and very, very few have been game changing. Stats very often are about context. I found your stats so hard to believe (you specifically have quoted that nonsense previously) so took the time to look.

When I can be inclined I will do this again and post it on here but if anyone else is at a loose end feel free. Your continual denial of this bias in the face of such compelling evidence as a city fan is puzzling.
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So what exactly is bolox?? I have given the details of the pens for and against over the past 6 years. If the figures are incorrect please provide an alternative source.

I have no clue what you are going on about citing Totttenhams penalty. You have gone off on a complete tangent and are arguing with yourself about something I have not mentioned.

Yes mate come back when you have something worthy of debating and discussing rather than calling a set of stats bollox with no evidence they are inaccurate and then rambling on about Spurs pen which has not even been mentioned.

I find it even more puzzling you seem desperate to prove we have not received a fair share of penalties as if you would prefer to prove the refs are against us rather than the 'compelling evidence' (as good as your evidence) that the refs are biased in our favour (as this would be how these stats would be used if unfavourable to City).
 
I was wondering how much abuse Ota and MDM would have got from Shearer if the Japanese fella waltzed through them like he did Spurs?

Not a mention about Spurs though
 
john@staustell said:
I was wondering how much abuse Ota and MDM would have got from Shearer if the Japanese fella waltzed through them like he did Spurs?

Not a mention about Spurs though
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No bad defending was never been mentioned on match of the day prior to City being featured regularly. Alan Hansen was historically famed for avoiding the topic.
 
franksinatra said:
So what exactly is bolox?? I have given the details of the pens for and against over the past 6 years. If the figures are incorrect please provide an alternative source.

I have no clue what you are going on about citing Totttenhams penalty. You have gone off on a complete tangent and are arguing with yourself about something I have not mentioned.

Yes mate come back when you have something worthy of debating and discussing rather than calling a set of stats bollox with no evidence they are inaccurate and then rambling on about Spurs pen which has not even been mentioned.

I find it even more puzzling you seem desperate to prove we have not received a fair share of penalties as if you would prefer to prove the refs are against us rather than the 'compelling evidence' (as good as your evidence) that the refs are biased in our favour (as this would be how these stats would be used if unfavourable to City).
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Did you actually 'read' my post!? Clearly going to have to trawl back through all the penalty stats again and present them back, 'with context'

However in advance of that, the 'bollox' about your post was quoting standalone penalty stats (havent double checked but i take it at face value they are accurate) as some kind of evidence that we don't get treated unfavourably by referees.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Did you actually 'read' my post!? Clearly going to have to trawl back through all the penalty stats again and present them back, 'with context'

However in advance of that, the 'bollox' about your post was quoting standalone penalty stats (havent double checked but i take it at face value they are accurate) as some kind of evidence that we don't get treated unfavourably by referees.
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If you are talking about an historical post I cannot remember it. Yes I will look forward to the context and I can only presume if you have broken down, when we have received penalties you have done the same for our rivals or there would be no context or direct comparison to benchmark against. Like you say it is all about the context.
 
franksinatra said:
I find it even more puzzling you seem desperate to prove we have not received a fair share of penalties as if you would prefer to prove the refs are against us rather than the 'compelling evidence' (as good as your evidence) that the refs are biased in our favour (as this would be how these stats would be used if unfavourable to City).
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No offence, but what on earth is "a fair share" Never heard such an irrelevant description. Its either a foul or its not, and if it is, and its in the box, its a penalty. What i and most City fans want is not a fair share , but the CORRECT amount!
 
trublue55 said:
No offence, but what on earth is "a fair share" Never heard such an irrelevant description. Its either a foul or its not, and if it is, and its in the box, its a penalty. What i and most City fans want is not a fair share , but the CORRECT amount!
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Well that is never going to happen over the course of the season and similarly it will never happen to any club when human decision making is involved. So the best you can hope for is decision are made 'fairly' and impartially.

The significance of 'fairly' is in the context of whether their is a bias against us so not irrelevant due to the nature of the thread.
 
franksinatra said:
Well that is never going to happen over the course of the season and similarly it will never happen to any club when human decision making is involved. So the best you can hope for is decision are made 'fairly' and impartially.

The significance of 'fairly' is in the context of whether their is a bias against us so not irrelevant due to the nature of the thread.
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I don't hope for a decision to be made "fairly" and impartially, i want the decision to be made COMPETENTLY

I'm not sure where my views lie with regards to bias as opposed to incompetence. However, as someone mentioned earlier, and as i've posted in the Howard Webb thread, how the referee at Spurs today can give the penalty he did, when his view was obstructed by about 3/4 players, and yet the same referee can not give the one on Wednesday for the foul on Navas when he not only had a clear view, but WAS actually looking straight at it, absolutely beggars belief!!, and that is what leads to questioning integrity!

The sooner video technology is trialled and eventually introduced (in some form), for ALL game changing decisions, the better!
 
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