Pellegrini - Job done ?

Prestwich_Blue said:
My view is that we would have got Guardiola if we hadn't won the league in 2012 and were scared to sack Mancini, despite already knowing he was going to be a problem when Soriano and Begiristain came in. So we gave RM a new contract whereas we might have been less squeamish if the rags had won the title. I can completely understand that, with them having got a pasting over the Hughes signing, but it was a mistake in hindsight. But having done that, Mancini caused so much friction behind the scenes that the number one requirement was a manager who would work with, rather than against, the structure we wanted and would take the players with him rather than alienate most of them. We also needed one with a decent record in Europe because our CL performance in 2012/13 was embarrassing. The final requirement was a manager committed to attacking football.

You could say that MP has met all those requirements to some degree or other,. He has moved us forward in some ways but has taken us backwards in others. In pursuing attacking football, he's neglected the defence. In focusing on our game, he's neglected the the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and doing the boring but necessary basic drills that teams need to have.
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If this is true those running the club seem a bit spineless and dim tbh
 
hilts said:
I seriously hope that isn't the case
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Remember the famous 6 months plus from Bob on his contract?

Most put it down to a misinterpretation but for me, it was just that, 6 months and then gone if Pep had of agreed to come then.

The moment Ferran and Txiki arrived it was always all about pep.
 
blueinsa said:
Remember the famous 6 months plus from Bob on his contract?

Most put it down to a misinterpretation but for me, it was just that, 6 months and then gone if Pep had of agreed to come then.

The moment Ferran and Txiki arrived it was always all about pep.
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The '6 months plus 3 years' was not a misinterpretation but it was Mourinho, rather than Pep, who was in the frame at the time. Thank goodness that didn't work out.
 
blueparrot said:
Not sure whether you mean from him or the club. But he was 60 and wasn't going to get a bigger job at that time. If you mean the club, I think they are confident in playing a long game and prepared to more than any other clubs owners. They are definitely big picture , long term planners.
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I meant the club but such a 'cake tomorrow' attitude has it's drawbacks. It's not all about planning for the long term. If it's true that Mancini and MP were both stand ins while we waited for our man thats quite a concern given that pep will only be he for 3 years in all likelihood
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The '6 months plus 3 years' was not a misinterpretation but it was Mourinho, rather than Pep, who was in the frame at the time. Thank goodness that didn't work out.
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Agree it was in fact Mourinho but your original point stands and i agree with it, the club has been under a caretaker manager in effect for the last 6 seasons.

Its all about pep.
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
I meant the club but such a 'cake tomorrow' attitude has it's drawbacks. It's not all about planning for the long term. If it's true that Mancini and MP were both stand ins while we waited for our man thats quite a concern given that pep will only be he for 3 years in all likelihood
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Pretty bizarre really I hope some players don't mind giving up some medals and fans seeing more trophies so we can have a good couple of years under pep
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I don't see how he has improved us in any way at all.

We look more like a team of individuals than we did under Mancini and I can't think of any player he has actually improved since he has been here.

We have been wholly inconsistent under Pellegrini from the start. We are capable of putting runs together of 10 unbeaten but often match that by taking 5 points from a possible 24.

Last season the run we put together after the United defeat papered over the cracks. This season has been exactly the same and that is despite an influx of top class talent.

I'm all in favour of a manager having strict beliefs and principals but he also has to be pragmatic and Pellegrini will rightly be replaced because of this failure. We should have kicked on after his 1st title win not regressed.
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Most teams would take the inconsistency of finishing in the top 2
 
grim up north said:
Most teams would take the inconsistency of finishing in the top 2
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Of course they would but we aren't most teams.

We are aiming to compete with the likes of Bayern and Barca and finishing in the top 2 in a league where it's main players are off the pace for one reason or another is not exactly brilliant.

We should be capitalising on Chelsea and United's fall from grace not using it as an excuse to underperform.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
Of course they would but we aren't most teams.

We are aiming to compete with the likes of Bayern and Barca and finishing in the top 2 in a league where it's main players are off the pace for one reason or another is not exactly brilliant.

We should be capitalising on Chelsea and United's fall from grace not using it as an excuse to underperform.
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It's January has the league finished
 
grim up north said:
It's January has the league finished
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There is still plenty of time to turn this season around.

However, for all of the ability of the players at our disposal we are yet to set a benchmark of a PL winning side. Both Chelsea and United with sides that are worse than ours IMO and with stronger competition have strolled to PL titles.

The difference is that when we are off the pace as a team our rivals take advantage of it. Whereas when our rivals are off the pace, we gift them opportunities to catch us up.

It's going to take a huge improvement in performances from the 1st half of the season to win the PL. There is also going to be added pressure of us playing at home against our direct rivals. Let us hope that we have the bottle to turn it around.
 
It struck me yesterday, that even though we eventually won the League in 2014, City seem to have stalled, and slowly reversed, from the moment that Negredo was injured at the same ground, virtually two years to the day.
That season, Aguero only played 23 games, but Negredo’s early form, and Dzeko’s crucial goals, proved vital. We also employed proper holding midfielders, to shield the defence.

Compare that with this season, and the nagging fear of what might happen if Aguero gets injured.
 
If we accept these comments as true then who is responsible for the transfer policy?
Our purchases have, largely, been poor so who carries the can for that??
 
If his brief was to take us steadily backwards on field then yes, it's job done.
 
mid table coach, get mid table results. no back to back wins in the league since oct. shameful.
 
themanc said:
mid table coach, get mid table results. no back to back wins in the league since oct. shameful.
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Its posts like this that get backs up.

Mid table coach with mid table results yet he has finished 1st and 2nd with us currently sat 2nd and has the best points per game ratio just behind Mourinho.

Patently you are talking bollocks mate.

Thats not to say all is perfect or well for that matter but please just stop talking bollocks.
 
themanc said:
mid table coach, get mid table results. no back to back wins in the league since oct. shameful.
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Your first sentence is odd considering our league finishes the last couple of years.
I'm not comfortable with the thought of us coasting whilst waiting for pep for nearly 6 years. Doesn't sound like a great plan albeit a couple of titles and domestic cups will mask that.
Summer can't come quick enough.
 
blueinsa said:
Its posts like this that get backs up.

Mid table coach with mid table results yet he has finished 1st and 2nd with us currently sat 2nd and has the best points per game ratio just behind Mourinho.

Patently you are talking bollocks mate.

Thats not to say all is perfect or well for that matter but please just stop talking bollocks.
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I think he worded it badly, a mid table coach if manuel is even that will get the best team to under perform more often than they should, where the team finishes in the table depends on the quality of the opposition, this year for example we may win it because of the problems at scum and Chelsea, another season we wouldn't, the place in which a team finishes isn't the best way to judge a manager
 
Cheesy said:
If his brief was to take us steadily backwards on field then yes, it's job done.
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I'd agree .

Pablo1 said:
Your first sentence is odd considering our league finishes the last couple of years.
I'm not comfortable with the thought of us coasting whilst waiting for pep for nearly 6 years. Doesn't sound like a great plan albeit a couple of titles and domestic cups will mask that.
Summer can't come quick enough.
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Summer been brought forward quicker this year than last year .
Yesterday's team selection was totally baffling yet again .
It's like ground hog day with Pellegrini over and over again .........
 
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