Was the ball over the line?

Plain Speaking said:
Not been through this whole thread but looking on the BBC gossip page it shows an image from the back page of The Sun. It looks like it has been "photoshopped" to appear more out than other images I've seen. It wouldn't surpise me with that trash! Anyone else seen it?
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I don't think it's photoshopped - they have just chosen to show it from an angle that exaggerates how much it is out by, because it suits their purposes of generating controversy and selling papers.

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Chippy_boy said:
Incidentally, here's the Bains corner. Nothing wrong with it - the ball is clearly "in" the quadrant, as per the rules:

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Isn't it possible to see grass between the ball and the line and the ball to still be in play. The ball is a sphere and hence part of it can still be in play whilst another part is over the line. What is required is an overhead view which the the goal line technology provides. A view from a shallow angle tells you nothing.

However I do think it was probably out of play, but I don't see how a linesman could give it without TV evidence
 
any other team ( apart from rags ) i would feel a bit guilty over it, but because its the scousers i think its fuckin funny as fuck as others have said, karma is a great thing, ha ha
apart from we deserved to win on the night by at least 3 clear goals its not like we were lucky and they battered us.
 
Marvin said:
Isn't it possible to see grass between the ball and the line and the ball to still be in play. The ball is a sphere and hence part of it can still be in play whilst another part is over the line. What is required is an overhead view which the the goal line technology provides. A view from a shallow angle tells you nothing.
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We're talking about the Sterling cross and not the Bains corner, right?

If so, then no, you're mistaken. What causes things to appear wrong sometimes is parallax error. So long as you look directly down the line, you eliminate parallax error. You do not need to be looking from overhead - it makes no difference. Try it if you don't believe me!
 
Stuck at work, have sky managed to get us dos-qualified yet or claiming it will be a hollow victory if we beat the red scousers
 
Chippy_boy said:
I do and anyone who understands the rules does. It was out, by about 1 inch to be exact. End of debate. Do I care? No.

I posted this in the post match thread just after the game had ended. You can clearly see grass between line and ball, and since we are looking directly down the line, that means there's no parallax error, i.e. it is out.

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That looks reasonably conclusive I have to say. But it's so close the ref and assistant didn't have that view so we got the benefit of the doubt.

Like any of us give a fuck.
 
dannybcity said:
I thought it was a brave decision.
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Mature from the linesman, something Martinez always appreciates.

I think its just out but why cant they show the camera view that is directly looking at the line? They did first thing last night and its close and just like every corner taken these days but of course they wont do that, they will use cameras from funny angles and low down to stir the controversy.

First leg nailed on penalty and their first last night after a clear foul on Kun means im not that arsed.
 
Chippy_boy said:
We're talking about the Sterling cross and not the Bains corner, right?

If so, then no, you're mistaken. What causes things to appear wrong sometimes is parallax error. So long as you look directly down the line, you eliminate parallax error. You do not need to be looking from overhead - it makes no difference. Try it if you don't believe me!
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Well I am talking about a ball in the quadrant of a corner. Everyone knows that a corner is OK as long as some part of the ball hangs over the line. My point is that if you look at a shallow angle, you could see grass between the ball and it's point of contact (the pole of the sphere) and yet the equator of the sphere could yet hang over the line.

This is a parallax effect. If you look from overhead you could see the ball in play, but if you view from the narrow Sun angle it would look like it was out of play. The only way to conclusively prove that the Sterling cross was out of play would be to view from overhead, a view we don't have.
 
It does not matter whether the ball was in, out, up or down. The fact is the referee awarded a goal. All them dicks on $ky, Talkshite and the rest, especially Martinez can go and do one. We had two clear penalties NOT given for us against Everton, I didn't see them mard Arses moaning then, they weren't given therefore no goal could be given.

In fact i think it is brilliant that the ball was out of play just to see Martinez crying after the match. I am just upset that he didn't whinge about Sterling being offside for the first because his pain would have been worse. Ha fookin' Ha.
 
Isn't it so that for offsides there is an "in dubio pro reo" rule. In case of doubt it is not offside. Is it perhaps simply the same in this case? Ref and lines man could not see that it was out (we can't even judge it with 100% certaincy based on the photo and film evidence), so consequently they decide it was in. Nothing to discuss I would say. The decision was correct.
 
Plain Speaking said:
Not been through this whole thread but looking on the BBC gossip page it shows an image from the back page of The Sun. It looks like it has been "photoshopped" to appear more out than other images I've seen. It wouldn't surpise me with that trash! Anyone else seen it?

I was at the match almost online with the goal line, as Sterling approached I thought he wont get that, but his speed surprised me and I thought he had just kept it in, on the far side of the line. It was certainly a marginal call and media and others saying it was "obviously" out, (implying bias by the officials), are misrepresenting the decision.
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As Stuart Pearce said on Talkshite this morning , if the officials aren't sure they can't give it.. Happens in games every weekend and Martinez et al need to wipe their clunges and move on..

Just as we had to after the OS goal in leg 1
 
Marvin said:
Well I am talking about a ball in the quadrant of a corner. Everyone knows that a corner is OK as long as some part of the ball hangs over the line. My point is that if you look at a shallow angle, you could see grass between the ball and it's point of contact (the pole of the sphere) and yet the equator of the sphere could yet hang over the line.

This is a parallax effect. If you look from overhead you could see the ball in play, but if you view from the narrow Sun angle it would look like it was out of play. The only way to conclusively prove that the Sterling cross was out of play would be to view from overhead, a view we don't have.
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The current goal line technology would sort that out. Surely the camera looks down the line and not just between the posts. What about someone showing that footage.
 
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