crystal_mais
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You are more than welcome to. But we are meant to be clueless in the family stand
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Post Match Thread: City vs Spurs
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You are more than welcome to. But we are meant to be clueless in the family stand
pavelsrnicek
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It's right on every point.
This is the rock and a hard place we have arrived at.
We don't hurt teams enough with Sergio up on his own. Fernando stays as the screen and there's no problem. It only becomes the problem because Pellegrini has to change it to create more chances.
In essence, it's all still done to accommodate Yaya remaining on the pitch.
Kelechi isn't Yaya, but it's still the logical choice because the team can play the percentages a whole lot better.
It provides the extra punch we needed but also allows Fernandinho to carry the ball, knowing his legs can still get him back in, with Fernando already offering the back-four the protection they had removed.
It's the same, every week. Yaya played okay yesterday, but his legs have gone and he is shoe-horned into this team, regardless of not being effective enough wherever he is.
Yaya needs to be Vieira in his spell at City, a closer, help turn tight leads into relatively comfortable wins. He shouldn't start.
We seem to perform best with 2 upfront as that gets the best out of Aguero. That means playing two workers in the middle with instructions to get the ball to our danger man, nothing flash. If we're leading after 60 mins take off a forward and get Yaya and deny the opposition the ball. Get the battle won and then bring on Yaya. Worked very well against Palace and should be the blueprint for the rest of the season.
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Anyone mentioned the Danny Rose incident when Kane was down injured? He had the ball just inside his own half and Zab was marking him. He (Rose) made as though he was going to put the ball out then suddenly ran past Zab with the ball. He then put it out further down the pitch but Zab was absolutely fuming and would have chinned him if Kompany hadn't intervened.
Didn't think Rose covered himself in glory at all yesterday. Bit of cnut !
Prestwich_Blue
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Good post even though I don't necessarily agree with a few bits. When I saw the team, I was happy as we had two covering midfield players in front of the back four and Toure where he should be, at number 10. It was very similar to the Derby, where neither side wanted to attack the other. We held our shape, which is something I've criticised us for not doing enough in the past. No one played great but no one (apart from Aguero) played badly. The two Ferns sat and were generally anonymous but that's because they really didn't get involved in going forward that much. Fernando had a couple of dodgy moments but did a solid enough job.I have to wholeheartedly disagree with this. Spurs were playing really deep and passing the ball accross their back 4 for long periods, trying to encourage us to press them, and leave space in behind. That's how they battred us at WHL, they were just running through us from the half way line, we couldn't cope with them on the break.
Yesterday it was crystal clear that we'd been instructed to hold our shape, not press the ball high up the pitch, let Spurs have the ball in their own half, and then try to break on them ourselves with Yaya, Sterling and Aguero.
Our problem was that we were sloppy in possession, winning the ball back then gifting it back to Spurs within a couple of passes. We seemed to have lost our previous ability to retain possession. We only started to cut loose a bit after the penalty and I do wonder what the plan would have been if that hadn't happened. What was disappointing was that we reverted to type with the second goal and opened up like the Red Sea. No one seemed to take responsibility and go to the ball, which will be something Pep addresses.
In hindsight, taking Fernando off was probably the wrong decision but we were going for it at the time.
Bluean Common
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Clattenburg yes the mans incompetence never ceases to amaze indicative of the FA and the way all football supporters are treated . We were cheated , Spurs won by cheating , and as a consequence of this the rest of the premier league was cheated . Nothing will be done Clattenburg the apalling will go unchecked . The all encompassing usual diatribe of excuses will continue . At the very least he should be suspended from refereeing premiership games . Do not footballers suffer the same fate miss timed tackle, deliberate handball, racking up points, (suspension) etc ?
Bluean Common
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Amidst all this world of negativity it was brilliant to see VK back.
I thought he had a very good game all considered.
For once the goals we conceded were not down to comedy defending.
A step in the right direction there so much hope for the future....
Neville Kneville
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It's right on every point.
This is the rock and a hard place we have arrived at.
We don't hurt teams enough with Sergio up on his own. Fernando stays as the screen and there's no problem. It only becomes the problem because Pellegrini has to change it to create more chances.
In essence, it's all still done to accommodate Yaya remaining on the pitch.
Kelechi isn't Yaya, but it's still the logical choice because the team can play the percentages a whole lot better.
It provides the extra punch we needed but also allows Fernandinho to carry the ball, knowing his legs can still get him back in, with Fernando already offering the back-four the protection they had removed.
It's the same, every week. Yaya played okay yesterday, but his legs have gone and he is shoe-horned into this team, regardless of not being effective enough wherever he is.
Shoehorned is the word. He isn't a number ten, by any stretch of the imagination. When he could sprint, he was closer. But he is now a veteran in any position & needs help. I see him as a deep playmaker surrounded by the right blend of players, or in a cameo role.
We play him in the 'star' positions & sacrifice the team in the hope he does something to win us the game(s).
crystal_mais
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Good post even though I don't necessarily agree with a few bits. When I saw the team, I was happy as we had two covering midfield players in front of the back four and Toure where he should be, at number 10. It was very similar to the Derby, where neither side wanted to attack the other. We held our shape, which is something I've criticised us for not doing enough in the past. No one played great but no one (apart from Aguero) played badly. The two Ferns sat and were generally anonymous but that's because they really didn't get involved in going forward that much. Fernando had a couple of dodgy moments but did a solid enough job.
Our problem was that we were sloppy in possession, winning the ball back then gifting it back to Spurs within a couple of passes. We seemed to have lost our previous ability to retain possession. We only started to cut loose a bit after the penalty and I do wonder what the plan would have been if that hadn't happened. What was disappointing was that we reverted to type with the second goal and opened up like the Red Sea. No one seemed to take responsibility and go to the ball, which will be something Pep addresses.
In hindsight, taking Fernando off was probably the wrong decision but we were going for it at the time.
If he set up like this against Leicester, West Ham, Liverpool & Arsenal away - we would have more points today - just wish he would do it - he has the capability to see it He even tinkered with swapping Sterling and Silva - Rose was getting too much space in 1st half because Silva was coming inside - by swapping them - Sterling held the line well to help Zabba and we were then having them on both wings
MP does have it but is not doing it unless he is being forced to
FantasyIreland
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The fact no one can even decide on Yayas best position or how best he can contribute to the team speaks volumes to me regarding his inclusion in our set up.Certainly in my mind he is much more a problem than a solution
It's because he cannot play any one position without players from other positions helping him out. He needs to be carried by his teammates, but he's nowhere near effective enough anymore to make that a worthwhile tacticThe fact no one can even decide on Yayas best position or how best he can contribute to the team speaks volumes to me regarding his inclusion in our set up.Certainly in my mind he is much more a problem than a solution
tolmie's hairdoo
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The fact no one can even decide on Yayas best position or how best he can contribute to the team speaks volumes to me regarding his inclusion in our set up.Certainly in my mind he is much more a problem than a solution
It'a always been the case, mate.
It's just so much more pronounced now because Toure is finished at this level, or at least in this league.
Too many people saying he should now be accommodated as a late sub or to retain the ball.
Vieira was one of the best defensive mids of any generation, Yaya doesn't have that mindset, because that requires intelligence and a desire to want to do the dirty things.
Vieira's career was never about personal glory, it was always about his effectiveness to his team.
tolmie's hairdoo
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It's because he cannot play any one position without players from other positions helping him out. He needs to be carried by his teammates, but he's nowhere near effective enough anymore to make that a worthwhile tactic
Exactly. If you are forced to pick up the slack, in any walk of life, it always means something else has to give, is diminished.
dave_blue12
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If he set up like this against Leicester, West Ham, Liverpool & Arsenal away - we would have more points today - just wish he would do it - he has the capability to see it He even tinkered with swapping Sterling and Silva - Rose was getting too much space in 1st half because Silva was coming inside - by swapping them - Sterling held the line well to help Zabba and we were then having them on both wings
MP does have it but is not doing it unless he is being forced to
Absolutely correct !
Even though we allowed Spurs more possession with this game plan they did nothing with it and it was City who had created the only half chances before Clattenburg's intervention. Had the game continued in this vain the likelyhood was for either a 0-0 draw or a City 1-0 win.
This is how we should set up for the rest of the season. First, making sure we are secure and don't concede and then and only if we don't score make a change with 15 to go and attack.
MP needs to be more pragmatic. It's all about winning, nobody cares about the gallant loser.
Prestwich_Blue
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Where he was yesterday is currently the best position for him. Whether he's the best in that position is another question entirely. All things being equal, I'd play Silva there but given the injuries, the line-up yesterday was the best we had.The fact no one can even decide on Yayas best position or how best he can contribute to the team speaks volumes to me regarding his inclusion in our set up.Certainly in my mind he is much more a problem than a solution
kas_tippler
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BullshitThe Pep rumours have been there for around 4 years now.
Neville Kneville
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The fact no one can even decide on Yayas best position or how best he can contribute to the team speaks volumes to me regarding his inclusion in our set up.Certainly in my mind he is much more a problem than a solution
I think that has always been a problem, exactly how to fit him in. It's just it was less noticable when he was younger/quicker. If he ran 50 yards & lashed one in top corner, nobody complained when he let the oppo midfielder run off him ten times in the same game.
We have had a bunch of talented players, but rarely had an 11 perfectly suited to the system we are trying to play, on any given day. You don't ideally want Yaya Toure as a centre mid in a 442 v anyone in any era, you want Roy Keane & Colin Bell. But because we have so many top players, we can still sometimes win titles with Yaya playing often in a midfield two.
We have never really had a plan of how we will play & then signed the exact players to suit the plan.
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I know the talk always seems to focus around Yaya and given the majority of his performances this season it is easy to see why but what is apparent to me is just how poor the rest of our central midfielders are. Yesterday the two Ferns had zero control over the middle of the park, neither of them are technically good enough. Fernando offers absolutely nothing. Fernandinho offers something but I am not always 100% sure what it is, his Sevilla away performances when he ran the show are certainly few and far between. I am not convinced any of the CMs will survive the inevitable Pep cull.
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blueinsa
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Bullshit
No it isn't. Quite a few on here claimed from the second Pellegrini's came in he was merely keeping the seat warm and the posts are on here to prove it.