EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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I really don't know what to believe if I'm honest I've seen people here adamant we get nothing from the EU and will be 9 billion better off because it's just a middle man that skims the money and funnels it back to us. I am surprised it's 9 billion though to be honest(holy shit how is that paid?), anyone got a source for that out of interest?

Yet like I said vote in pamphlets(obviously biased but credible sources cited on every bullet point) saying for every £1 we put into the EU we get £10 back through increased trade, investment, jobs, growth and lower prices on goods. How will voting out affect our trade in Europe? Are 3 million jobs linked to exports to the EU going to be less secure afterwards? Will investment from EU countries decline(£66m a year)? Fuel 19p price rise just from leaving the EU real or bullshit?

Now I will be the first to admit I'm no expert on any of this but my concern is we are an Island Nation who exports very little and we import very heavily because we very much need to, so I don't think the stance of "meh we don't need anyone we're just fine on our own" is the best way to be(if we are better off that way then great though). We all want whats best for the UK, it's just difficult to see what that is in the long run.
 
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One big gravy train get on it and you'll never want to leave
Neil kinnock check how much his family has taken from the pot
Leaches every one of them
For that reason I'm out
 
Monkfish said:
because an unelected bureaucrat trumps Gideon handing out left right and centre to his mates?
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You have a very distorted sense of reality my friend. What you mean (assuming it were true) is "Gideon reducing the amount he takes off his mates". The idea that the rich are in some way recipients of anything is just completely fucked up.
 
Metalartin said:
How is that circular reasoning?(I think you have the definition mixed up) This person knows more about that particular situation than any of you so I'd take their word on it, simple as that they are all dead against voting out.
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You and your family member can vote in then ! I'm voting out because I believe the money we give away is not worth the return we get and I'm sick of being told what to do. It's our country and we should make our own decisions
 
Metalartin said:
Yet like I said vote in pamphlets(obviously biased but credible sources cited on every bullet point) saying for every £1 we put into the EU we get £10 back through increased trade, investment, jobs, growth and lower prices on goods. How will voting out affect our trade in Europe? Are 3 million jobs linked to exports to the EU going to be less secure afterwards? Will investment from EU countries decline(£66m a year)? Fuel 19p price rise just from leaving the EU real or bullshit?
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One pound in gets ten pounds out sounds great, but you try finding anything that backs that one up ;0), they want to count what we sell to Europe as if they would not buy it if we were out (Ask yourself why you buy anything ?, you want or need it an the price and quality is right, how does that change ), not only do we sell more to the rest of the world and without the mountains of red tape could sell it cheaper, but do you believe for one moment that Europe will not want to sell or buy from us.

We get investment because of what we can do and how we can do it, we still have a level of expertise in this country that you can not find anywhere else in the world, very few jobs if any need be lost, in fact with the billions saved invested in infrastructure or our industries/education there is more chance of jobs being created.

If we are able to negotiate our own trade deals why would that not give us lower prices still, we would no longer be paying a kickback nor would the seller, an just why would fuel increase exactly because there is no logical reason to back it up.

If you are undecided then its no real help counting on either the in or out leaflets as a guild, they will both at the very least be bias to their stance, afraid its down to you to just think things through an read up a little, I am an ardent outer an make no bones about it, even I am trying to influence you ;0)
 
blueonblue said:
One pound in gets ten pounds out sounds great, but you try finding anything that backs that one up ;0), they want to count what we sell to Europe as if they would not buy it if we were out (Ask yourself why you buy anything ?, you want or need it an the price and quality is right, how does that change ), not only do we sell more to the rest of the world and without the mountains of red tape could sell it cheaper, but do you believe for one moment that Europe will not want to sell or buy from us.

We get investment because of what we can do and how we can do it, we still have a level of expertise in this country that you can not find anywhere else in the world, very few jobs if any need be lost, in fact with the billions saved invested in infrastructure or our industries/education there is more chance of jobs being created.

If we are able to negotiate our own trade deals why would that not give us lower prices still, we would no longer be paying a kickback nor would the seller, an just why would fuel increase exactly because there is no logical reason to back it up.

If you are undecided then its no real help counting on either the in or out leaflets as a guild, they will both at the very least be bias to their stance, afraid its down to you to just think things through an read up a little, I am an ardent outer an make no bones about it, even I am trying to influence you ;0)
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You've offered nothing to back what you've said up though, sources cited for some of them quotes are "HM Treasury", "European Commision" "CBI OBR"(Confederation of British Industry) sounds pretty solid to me... everything you've said is speculation on your part(unless you cite your sources) also making a point about them backing up what was said and then claiming we have expertise that can't be find anywhere else in the world? Such as what? Of course they can find pretty much anything elsewhere these days and probably cheaper unfortunately. How much of what people believe in the out camp can be backed up is what I'm saying, I'm seeing a lot said that sounds more like opinion than well researched reasoning. I've not had any pro out media posted to me yet, I'm sure they have their arguments too so I will hear them out too.

I probably wont vote at all at this rate.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
You have a very distorted sense of reality my friend. What you mean (assuming it were true) is "Gideon reducing the amount he takes off his mates". The idea that the rich are in some way recipients of anything is just completely fucked up.
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happy to give you examples off the top of my head MushyLad, Lloyds bank sell off, Academy Schools, Post Office privatisation, PFI for hospitals, PFI for schools

The rich made/make nothing from the above? They haven't even tried to hide it but you don't see it
 
But then who got rich ?, just how many of the labour party made millions from PFI, its no good saying the rich got richer, how about the fact the labour party got kicked out by the voters, thats got to be better than not being able to get rid of the crooks
 
Monkfish said:
happy to give you examples off the top of my head MushyLad, Lloyds bank sell off, Academy Schools, Post Office privatisation, PFI for hospitals, PFI for schools

The rich made/make nothing from the above? They haven't even tried to hide it but you don't see it
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You're letting bitterness cloud your judgement and talking complete and utter tosh mate. There might be a case that the uber rich avoid paying taxes by arranging their affairs such that their income is mainly overseas. But for everyone else, if you have a job, you pay taxes and the more you earn the more you pay. What's this nonsense you speak about the post office and lloyds etc ffs?

Take a "rich" person earning say £150,000 per year. The government takes roughly £60,000 of their money off them every year. How much do you chip in mate?

So don't give me any of that Gideon doling out money to his mates bollocks. All the government does is take money. They don't have any money to dole out, only money they took off other people.
 
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stonerblue said:
where and when did 'they' say this?
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Quit the EU to SAVE our NHS: Top cancer doctor says migrants are bleeding it dry
BRITAIN should leave the EU in order to save an NHS which is being overrun by migrants, according to a top cancer specialist.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ip-damage-cancer-research-collapse-NHS-health

Britain's NHS can't survive staying in the European Union

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...nt-survive-staying-in-the-European-Union.html
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're letting bitterness cloud your judgement and talking complete and utter tosh mate. There might be a case that the uber rich avoid paying taxes by arranging their affairs such that their income is mainly overseas. But for everyone else, if you have a job, you pay taxes and the more you earn the more you pay. What's this nonsense you speak about the post office and lloyds etc ffs?

Take a "rich" person earning say £150,000 per year. The government takes roughly £60,000 of their money off them every year. How much do you chip in mate?

So don't give me any of that Gideon doling out money to his mates bollocks. All the government does is take money. They don't have any money to dole out, only money they took off other people.
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you think Gideons mates earn £150k? And if you don't know about the post office Lloyds etc then Google it. I earn plenty enough for me to be happy thanks, and pay plenty enough tax on the little I do earn so not particularly bitter, but it doesn't change reality does it, maybe I should just ignore it like you and be blissfully naive
 
Monkfish said:
you think Gideons mates earn £150k? And if you don't know about the post office Lloyds etc then Google it. I earn plenty enough for me to be happy thanks, and pay plenty enough tax on the little I do earn so not particularly bitter, but it doesn't change reality does it, maybe I should just ignore it like you and be blissfully naive
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Dont forget the £22 bn simple Gideon is about to spunk over RBS.
 
Monkfish said:
you think Gideons mates earn £150k? And if you don't know about the post office Lloyds etc then Google it. I earn plenty enough for me to be happy thanks, and pay plenty enough tax on the little I do earn so not particularly bitter, but it doesn't change reality does it, maybe I should just ignore it like you and be blissfully naive
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Hmmmm, "not particularly bitter", LOL.
 
Metalartin said:
It's a complete fallacy to give the argument we give X amount of money and get "completely nothing in return"(is that likely? I think not somehow I just got something through the door detailing all the perks of being in the EU but it's all lies?) anyone attempting such an argument has to seriously self assess before wanting to be taken seriously. What I'm saying is whatever they do take it wont be a case of "ohhh we have just freed up X amount to spend on whatever we like" that's just naive, there are benefits for being in the EU which once lost will have knock on effects such as the cost of fuel and so on.
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Eh? The amount we pay minus the amount we receive = 9 billion pounds. 9 BILLION POUNDS. This is the cost of the EU AFTER your family member has received some of our own money that the EU has given back to us and called it an EU grant. Cheeky bastards.
 
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