EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Monkfish said:
He said it, but you agreed with it, hence why I am asking you as Boris's disciple
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When did I say he was a fan of Boris? I think you'll find the nearest I came to this was calling him a twat? Please quote me when I have said otherwise.
 
Helmet Cole said:
You reccomended I check it out? I thought to recommend a book you would have read it yourself? Or not, which is odd tbh
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No, I did not suggest you read it, I think you are already dangerous enough without more fascist indoctrination. I said you should avail yourself of its contents
 
EalingBlue2 said:
That is true of the thread I don't disagree, but for me it is what the decision really is a vote with little upside but a lot of risk. I accept that I probably have a lower opinion of how London and the south east will treat the rest of Britain, that I don't want a Britain that moves a lot to the right and that I have a bias in favour of the north and the celts , for them I see nearly no upside as a lot of downside.

As for sovereignty , even out Britain will not have economic, military, technology or any sovereignty in any real way and democracy will be no closer to the people than it is now. Would I risk economic turmoil for a false perception of independence? Never.
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So you're quite happy to live under a sovereign and democratic system where results go against the wishes of the eu are ignored?

France referendum 2005 on ratification of the eu constitution - result IGNORED by the EU (Change your own constitution to fit ours)

Irish referendum 2008 on ratification of Lisbon treaty - result IGNORED by EU (try again silly Irish people)

Swiss referendum 2014 to curb inward eu migration - result IGNORED by EU (we're not bitter honest)

Greek referendum 2015 on bailout conditions - result IGNORED by EU (lump it and enjoy)

Dutch referendum 2016 on Ukraine-eu - result will be IGNORED by EU

I'm not sure what the system is in Australia but if it's like Switzerland democracy and referendum on matters are the cornerstone to the countries very being and you're looking at the most prosperous country in Europe -
 
AlgarveBlu said:
So you're quite happy to live under a sovereign and democratic system where results go against the wishes of the eu are ignored?

France referendum 2005 on ratification of the eu constitution - result IGNORED by the EU (Change your own constitution to fit ours)

Irish referendum 2008 on ratification of Lisbon treaty - result IGNORED by EU (try again silly Irish people)

Swiss referendum 2014 to curb inward eu migration - result IGNORED by EU (we're not bitter honest)

Greek referendum 2015 on bailout conditions - result IGNORED by EU (lump it and enjoy)

Dutch referendum 2016 on Ukraine-eu - result will be IGNORED by EU

I'm not sure what the system is in Australia but if it's like Switzerland democracy and referendum on matters are the cornerstone to the countries very being and you're looking at the most prosperous country in Europe -
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Ealing were you supporting the uk or Australia in the Eurovision Song Contest last night??
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Ealing were you supporting the uk or Australia in the Eurovision Song Contest last night??
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Have to confess I was fast asleep during the whole thing so supporting no one, also I haven't heard either song! When I have watched Eurovision I have always just supported the song I liked best tbh, which is usually someone from Scandinavia or the baltics, as haven't heard a British or Irish song I really liked for a while.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
So you're quite happy to live under a sovereign and democratic system where results go against the wishes of the eu are ignored?

France referendum 2005 on ratification of the eu constitution - result IGNORED by the EU (Change your own constitution to fit ours)

Irish referendum 2008 on ratification of Lisbon treaty - result IGNORED by EU (try again silly Irish people)

Swiss referendum 2014 to curb inward eu migration - result IGNORED by EU (we're not bitter honest)

Greek referendum 2015 on bailout conditions - result IGNORED by EU (lump it and enjoy)

Dutch referendum 2016 on Ukraine-eu - result will be IGNORED by EU

I'm not sure what the system is in Australia but if it's like Switzerland democracy and referendum on matters are the cornerstone to the countries very being and you're looking at the most prosperous country in Europe -
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I had always found sovereign governments in London or Canberra just as capable of ignoring the will of the people and acting in self interest as any EU bureaucrat. I just judge decisions on whether I think they are good or bad and deal accordingly - I frankly don't care whether it is local council, national government or a larger federal organisation that makes them. Also if I am in one voice in 65m or one.voice in 300m really makes little difference
 
Will somebody publish that clip Andrew Neil showed us on the daily politics show when Cameron back in November was saying how bad the European Union was. Cameron said more or less what the Brexiters are saying now. What a two faced lying git.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Have to confess I was fast asleep during the whole thing so supporting no one, also I haven't heard either song! When I have watched Eurovision I have always just supported the song I liked best tbh, which is usually someone from Scandinavia or the baltics, as haven't heard a British or Irish song I really liked for a while.
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The one that won was bizarre. It even gave the new stone roses track a run for Its money and that's saying something.

Anyway eu does not matter today. Come on blues.
 
The Eurovision Song Contest is a prime example of why we should leave the EU.

The fact of the matter is we are an island nation, have nothing in common with the rest of Europe and finally they all hate us.
 
YPhrunts said:
The EU paid just under €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups. So when you hear any of these organisations supporting remain just remember that they are on the payroll. That is not including the 2 million paid to the British Broadcasting Corporation.


International Monetary Fund E168.138

OECD E30,523,562

CBI E1,350,737

National Farmers Union E133,842

Institute for Fiscal Studies E7,400,974

Price Waterhouse Cooper E16,304778

London School of Economics E18,333,273

Standard and Poor E745,158

Royal Society for Protection of Birds E19,630,265

World Wildlife Trust £45,762,505

Friends of the Earth E17,112,870

Trade Union Council E763,473

National Union of Students E767,196

Unite Union E285,788

Communication Workers Union E25,097

GMB E372, 945

Unison E188,893


TOTAL E159,878,761
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The BBC should be on this list too.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/the-millions-in-eu-funding-the-bbc-tried-to-hide/

Instead of making an open declaration, the BBC’s successful lobbying for this money had to be prised out of it using a Freedom of Information (FoI) request lodged for The Spectator, proving that there was never any danger of the state broadcaster’s bosses volunteering it willingly.
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EalingBlue2 said:
I had always found sovereign governments in London or Canberra just as capable of ignoring the will of the people and acting in self interest as any EU bureaucrat. I just judge decisions on whether I think they are good or bad and deal accordingly - I frankly don't care whether it is local council, national government or a larger federal organisation that makes them. Also if I am in one voice in 65m or one.voice in 300m really makes little difference
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That may well be true, but we have the opportunity every five years to get rid of the national government, whereas EU commissioners, who make the decisions, are not accountable to the population. I know we vote for MEPs however they have no legislative authority and are basically just a talking shop.
 
Chancy Termites said:
The BBC should be on this list too.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/the-millions-in-eu-funding-the-bbc-tried-to-hide/
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It was in the post but thanks for the link.
It's even more depressing than I thought. Patten has given a vow of silence even after he is no longer employed by Brussels! That has got to be a sinister move to shut people up so that the EU avoids criticism. That would also apply to Mandelson, Kinnock and Blair etc.
The article also makes sense of why channel 4 is so pro EU too. They are also on the gravy train.
And the revelation that it gives money to other EU broadcasters is an attempt to shut criticism down across the continent.
Fuck me what a devious cuntish place Brussels must be.
 
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