EU referendum

[Tim of the Oak]

Not the British public! All the public voted for was a common market!

You're question us a good one, I look forward to the replies.

You have a few weeks! Have you pair been living under a stone!!

I also didn't vote for the unelected House of Lords nor for a large number of MPs to steal expenses from the British public!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

wtf? you want the in out campaign to last how long exactly? a couple of years? if you can't make your mind up in the time needed then don't vote but I think I speak for the majority when I say we will be glad to see the back of this endless regurgitated nonsense from all sides, don't think anything new has been said in the last month in public or on this forum

I would actually be more excited if we did vote leave, be interesting to see what happens and if we vote stay it will be a bit of a 'well that was a waste of time'

Agree with that I am interested by this but I have had enough. After the vote though I think it's going to rumble on and on. Whoever wins the polls are suggesting the country is badly split on a fundamental issue.

 

[yep]

"If the UK left the EU all that would be left is Germany, countries on the verge of demanding a bailout and countries desperate for cash to fund an influx of refugees."

http://www.fridaymash.com/article/humble-pie-better-no-pie

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You have a few weeks! Have you pair been living under a stone!!

I also didn't vote for the unelected House of Lords nor for a large number of MPs to steal expenses from the British public!

The House of Lords do not make laws thankfully. That's the govt and parliaments job.

MPs stealing, well I have no answer to that as it's just wrong.

 

[yep]

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The House of Lords do not make laws thankfully. That's the govt and parliaments job.

MPs stealing, well I have no answer to that as it's just wrong.

Cheers Kevin

Cutting a long story short, two thirds of the law making / agreeing bodies in the EU are elected. MEPs to the Parliament and our MPs in Govt who have been promoted to Ministers (in the Council of Ministers).

 

[BigJoe#1]

You have a few weeks! Have you pair been living under a stone!!

I also didn't vote for the unelected House of Lords nor for a large number of MPs to steal expenses from the British public!

Sorry Tim, just answering a direct question..... If he had asked: Who voted for the House of Lords and MPs expenses my answer would have been similar.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Wow - that is a real 'Remain Volte Face'.

The reason the vote is happening on 23rd June is because it is essentially the 1st date it legally can. Cameron could have held this referendum any time over the next 18 months but has gone for the earliest possible date both for fear of what a summer of EU news and ever increasing migration could do the Remain vote. Also, he clearly wants to quickly marshal all his doom & gloom stories and get that propaganda out there with the Leave campaign hopefully not having time or finances to mobilise a campaign.

Cameron/Remain have no desire to afford the UK population the time/opportunity to form an informed view - they want us to just be scared or confused into selecting the status quo - more time would allow the scare-mongering to be debunked.

I think the truth is far simpler, every day there is uncertainty, every day the UK is divided and every day that planning is on hold are all bad for Britain. It's like putting off going to the doctor when you think you have something serious wrong, best to get it done,, get a diagnosis and either stop worrying (as is the case here) or get on with the cure. A long period of toxic debate, anti immigration pushes, uncertainty in investment was utterly stupid and he should have called for the vote two ears ago rather than all the wasted time in between.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Cheers Kevin

Cutting a long story short, two thirds of the law making / agreeing bodies in the EU are elected. MEPs to the Parliament and our MPs in Govt who have been promoted to Ministers (in the Council of Ministers).

The commissioners are also selected by those democratically elected people so in many was all three parts of government are democratic. In The UK only one of these three pillars is democratically elected but we are of course a pinnacle of electoral virtue. It's comedy gold

 

[BigJoe#1]

I think the truth is far simpler, every day there is uncertainty, every day the UK is divided and every day that planning is on hold are all bad for Britain. It's like putting off going to the doctor when you think you have something serious wrong, best to get it done,, get a diagnosis and either stop worrying (as is the case here) or get on with the cure. A long period of toxic debate, anti immigration pushes, uncertainty in investment was utterly stupid and he should have called for the vote two ears ago rather than all the wasted time in between.

I agree entirely with you EB2. Once he embarked on getting us the great deal (ahem) that he has I do think Cameron felt it was to his advantage though.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

For once, he was up against an audience split a third out, a third in and a third undecided. Usually his audience is handpicked but he struggled when it wasn't.

He promised things and yet again, he hasn't delivered, especially on immigration and the chickens are about to come home to roost.

Just my opinion as dont normally discuss politics as its a bit like City's transfer forum (have to be careful what you say!;)

I think this is the mistake many people are making....."He promised things and yet again he hasnt delivered"......When I watched the live questions on Sky last night it seemed pretty clear that many people are finding it difficult to separate their issues with Cameron/Tories and leaving the EU.....These are 2 completely different issues......This isnt a vote for or against Conservative government. In my mind its clear that the country will be worse off for a couple of years until we find our feet if we leave but what people seem to forget is that Cameron will still be running the country for the next 4 years......So the people that laugh at Cameron and question is ability to run the country will actually be putting more trust/faith in him to lead us during a difficult time if we leave the EU.....Many of our issues in this country are not because we are in the EU....they are because we've had a poorly run government....For everyone voting to leave.......you'll still have Cameron running this country on June 24th but without the trade links, jobs etc the EU offer.....now thats scary!;)

 

[The perfect fumble]

I think the truth is far simpler, every day there is uncertainty, every day the UK is divided and every day that planning is on hold are all bad for Britain. It's like putting off going to the doctor when you think you have something serious wrong, best to get it done,, get a diagnosis and either stop worrying (as is the case here) or get on with the cure. A long period of toxic debate, anti immigration pushes, uncertainty in investment was utterly stupid and he should have called for the vote two ears ago rather than all the wasted time in between.

Two years ago he was in coalition with the Lib Dems.

 

[YPhrunts]

You have a few weeks! Have you pair been living under a stone!!

I also didn't vote for the unelected House of Lords nor for a large number of MPs to steal expenses from the British public!

Neither did we vote to go into the Common Market in the first place. Heath took us in unconstitutionally without even asking us.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Agree with that I am interested by this but I have had enough. After the vote though I think it's going to rumble on and on. Whoever wins the polls are suggesting the country is badly split on a fundamental issue.

Which I suspect is exactly what the tax dodging media moguls, their tax dodging friends, those who own ten homes whilst many have none, corrupt mp's, hedge fund owners who trade on misery and the bankers who cost the country 2 trillion pounds want, if they can keep the plebs divided , keep focus on Europe to be to blame for everything and get people focuses on immigrants then they can go on there merry way and keep taking the piss out of every one of you. Powerful people turning you against yourselves and laughing all the way to the bank (probably located in the BVI or Bermuda)

Everyone it seems has fallen for it as well so shame on everyone.

After all why blame a media mogul who pays 0.1% tax, a trust fund baby with ten homes or a banker who made millions a year bankrupting your kids when you could blame a polish builder or a Syrian regfugee instead. Why blame those who drop the bombs when you can blame those they land on.

If it wasn't so sad and predictable it would be hilarious.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Just my opinion as dont normally discuss politics as its a bit like City's transfer forum (have to be careful what you say!;)

I think this is the mistake many people are making....."He promised things and yet again he hasnt delivered"......When I watched the live questions on Sky last night it seemed pretty clear that many people are finding it difficult to separate their issues with Cameron/Tories and leaving the EU.....These are 2 completely different issues......This isnt a vote for or against Conservative government. In my mind its clear that the country will be worse off for a couple of years until we find our feet if we leave but what people seem to forget is that Cameron will still be running the country for the next 4 years......So the people that laugh at Cameron and question is ability to run the country will actually be putting more trust/faith in him to lead us during a difficult time if we leave the EU.....Many of our issues in this country are not because we are in the EU....they are because we've had a poorly run government....For everyone voting to leave.......you'll still have Cameron running this country on June 24th but without the trade links, jobs etc the EU offer.....now thats scary!;)

If Cameron lose the EU referendum he'll either resign or be pushed.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Neither did we vote to go into the Common Market in the first place. Heath took us in unconstitutionally without even asking us.

There was nothing unconstitutional about joining the Common Market.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

If Cameron lose the EU referendum he'll either resign or be pushed.

Thats what people think...and if people vote leave for this reason then they might get a shock in my opinion!

 

[YPhrunts]

Just my opinion as dont normally discuss politics as its a bit like City's transfer forum (have to be careful what you say!;)

I think this is the mistake many people are making....."He promised things and yet again he hasnt delivered"......When I watched the live questions on Sky last night it seemed pretty clear that many people are finding it difficult to separate their issues with Cameron/Tories and leaving the EU.....These are 2 completely different issues......This isnt a vote for or against Conservative government. In my mind its clear that the country will be worse off for a couple of years until we find our feet if we leave but what people seem to forget is that Cameron will still be running the country for the next 4 years......So the people that laugh at Cameron and question is ability to run the country will actually be putting more trust/faith in him to lead us during a difficult time if we leave the EU.....Many of our issues in this country are not because we are in the EU....they are because we've had a poorly run government....For everyone voting to leave.......you'll still have Cameron running this country on June 24th but without the trade links, jobs etc the EU offer.....now thats scary!;)

There is no way Cameron will survive this. He's a dead man walking either way.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The commissioners are also selected by those democratically elected people so in many was all three parts of government are democratic. In The UK only one of these three pillars is democratically elected but we are of course a pinnacle of electoral virtue. It's comedy gold

But they are governing for 28 nations all with different social economic and political cultures. The meps do not even sit in countries they represent. . They sit in ideological groups. You have fascists and far right elected meps and left wing communists elected meps discussing the laws affecting me. Now that's comedy gold.

Say what you like about the three pillars of our democracy it tends to lead to moderate centre politics in the uk and has done so for many years....

 

[The perfect fumble]

Thats what people think...and if people vote leave for this reason then they might get a shock in my opinion!

I'm not sure there are large numbers people who'd vote leave just to get rid of Cameron. Being rid of Cameron is not the same as being rid of the Tories.