Ok then mate tell us what life will be like in the eu in a year, 2 years 5 years, 10 years . Go on. Tell us. I take it Its immune from economic collapse or fluctuations in economic cycles? I take it and migration will be under control. Power will not centralise? will other countries join. What will happen to Greece and the other Southern European countries who are on the verge of collapse. I take it the far right building across Europe will have vanished. Will we join the euro or not? What effect will that have?
It's no good having a go at the brexiters for failing to present what the future will look like if remainions cannot either, honestly you would think the remainions have mystic meg locked up somewhere......
Ok then mate tell us what life will be like in the eu in a year, 2 years 5 years, 10 years . Go on. Tell us. I take it Its immune from economic collapse or fluctuations in economic cycles? I take it and migration will be under control. Power will not centralise? will other countries join. What will happen to Greece and the other Southern European countries who are on the verge of collapse. I take it the far right building across Europe will have vanished. Will we join the euro or not? What effect will that have?
It's no good having a go at the brexiters for failing to present what the future will look like if remainions cannot either, honestly you would think the remainions have mystic meg locked up somewhere......
It´s in spite of the EU. It´s down to the ability of the people, which, of course, are too stupid to survive outside of the EU. Imagine what could be achieved without the bureaucracy and red tape?
sadly no mystic meg!;) but when it comes to my family and my responibilities I would always pick the "safe" option. As mentioned I was willing to listen and even change my view if Michael Gove had a better argument......as pointed out, we are the 5th biggest economy in the world, "while" being a part of the EU so recent history would suggest when you look at that, we doing alright....not great but as a country/economy we are "safe"......to me....why fix what isnt broken.....why risk and bet on your families futures, your house, your jobs on the unknown?.....We know what life is like being apart from the EU...we know the agreement Cameron got on immagration if we stay.....I dont know what the EU will be like in 5years, 10years but in staying I know what I'm betting on for the immediate future atleast.....voting "leave" we dont even have that......I'll always bet on whats real and what you can see...People like Gove want us to bet on a dream.....I just think the price is too high if we get this wrong.....
pretty much all the independent economists have said the country will be worse off if we leave......thats what is widely known....thats not just words to scare people.
sadly no mystic meg!;) but when it comes to my family and my responibilities I would always pick the "safe" option. As mentioned I was willing to listen and even change my view if Michael Gove had a better argument......as pointed out, we are the 5th biggest economy in the world, "while" being a part of the EU so recent history would suggest when you look at that, we doing alright....not great but as a country/economy we are "safe"......to me....why fix what isnt broken.....why risk and bet on your families futures, your house, your jobs on the unknown?.....We know what life is like being apart from the EU...we know the agreement Cameron got on immagration if we stay.....I dont know what the EU will be like in 5years, 10years but in staying I know what I'm betting on for the immediate future atleast.....voting "leave" we dont even have that......I'll always bet on whats real and what you can see...People like Gove want us to bet on a dream.....I just think the price is too high if we get this wrong.....
pretty much all the independent economists have said the country will be worse off if we leave......thats what is widely known....thats not just words to scare people.
Ok but don't have a go at brexiters for not being able to predict the future which is what people argue. It's like getting divorced without agreeing the settlement, or accepting a job without knowing the package, these points are claptrap. In or out is just as uncertain as its tomorrow
However I can say with some certainty if we leave
We won't join the euro
Immigration will be better controlled
We will be sovereign and in control again
The collapse of the Southern European states will not have as big an impact on us
The growth of the extreme politics of the euozone will not impact me.
Whether economically better I do not know and neither do you ( or any experts). I do know that the debt bubble and housing bubble affecting the uk will be there in or out. Voting in is not a Harry Potter wand making economic cycles go away.
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Yep the owner of the company I work for is a prominent out campaigner, says it's a risk but we should take it, of course it's not a risk for him or his family as they are made for life, but some of the people Gove is trying to convince to vote leave may lose their job, their home, their family as a result, wonder how a vote leaver would feel if that was the outcome, Turkey's voting for Christmas?
"Whether economically better I do not know and neither do you ( or any experts)"
9 out of 10 economists agree it will be bad for the UK to leave......I'd say its as close to "nailed on" as you can get without knowing for sure.....When you look at the very real facts...voting "stay" is alot safer and dont need a mystic meg for that mate....
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referen...ists-say-brexit-will-damage-uk-growth-1562596
I agree though, I'm sure you won't be suprised to learn that I think we are the fifth biggest economy DESPITE the EU as opposed BECAUSE of it. Surely, when you're waiting for poor economies to get their houses in order to make changes we could be pressing on at a pace with World cutting edge as opposed to bring bogged down waiting for everyone in the EU to catch up. Sometimes, when the changes don't suit ys we could well be holding back the EU. It's just too big, too unwieldy, too complex and too compromised to move at the same pace as the rest of the world, and, I think looking at previous posts, the growth rate of the EU is actually proving this case.Is it then fair to say we've become the 5th biggest economy in the world while being part of the EU?......if so, the question really should be...would we be the 5th biggest economy with OR without the EU?...If we such a strong country and the 5th biggest economy now, why risk all that?.....(genuine question!)
Economists aren´t scientists. They have no idea what the price of oil will be tomorrow never mind what an exit of the EU will mean.
Its good of you to admit you are thinking of yourself before your country. Let´s hope your honestly is rewarded.
Can you ask them to let me know who will win the premier league next season please?
An out vote impacts me more than an in vote. I live abroad, i´m paid in sterling I spend in Brazilian Reals. I expect the the pound to weaken on an out vote therefore it makes me poorer. When I first moved here I was getting 6 real to the pound now I get 5, on an exit vote I expect closer to 4. About 30% worst off.I agree mate they dont have all the answers...but they know alot more than you or I and can take an "independent" view of things.....we are more likely to let emotion/opinion cloud our judgement...and as for thinking of myself.....you are just kidding yourself if you think your personal situation doesnt impact the way you going to vote....the less risk to the individual the more lightly they are to vote out.......
I agree mate they dont have all the answers...but they know alot more than you or I and can take an "independent" view of things.....we are more likely to let emotion/opinion cloud our judgement...and as for thinking of myself I disagree.....but you are just kidding yourself if you think your personal situation doesnt impact the way you going to vote....the less risk to the individual the more lightly they are to vote out.......
An out vote impacts me more than an in vote. I live abroad, i´m paid in sterling I spend in Brazilian Reals. I expect the the pound to weaken on an out vote therefore it makes me poorer. When I first moved here I was getting 6 real to the pound now I get 5, on an exit vote I expect closer to 4. About 30% worst off.
Can you ask them to let me know who will win the premier league next season please?
An out vote impacts me more than an in vote. I live abroad, i´m paid in sterling I spend in Brazilian Reals. I expect the the pound to weaken on an out vote therefore it makes me poorer. When I first moved her I was getting 6 real to the pound now I get 5, on an exit vote I expect closer to 4. About 30% worst off.
Appreciate your reply...I hope you dont mind me saying (as its meant respectfully) but if you lived in the UK, worked for a manufacturing company(just an example), had a large mortgage to pay and 2 young children to feed...the risk and impact to leaving would be alot greater and is more likely to impact the way you vote.....Genuine question as I know this vote will effect everyone in different ways but can you honestly say you'd still vote "leave" if your job would be under threat, your mortgage payments could increase, property value drops and your weekly living costs go up?.....because if you believe the economists, all these things are very real...with most people these days....even an impact on one of these things could make life difficult....Yes, these things "might" happen even as part of the EU but its almost "certain" some of these things will happen if we leave....
I´m returning to the UK in a few years, these things will impact on me as they impact on you. I´m just taking a longer term outlook that the UK will be better in the future and taking the short term hit.
There will be pain involved in leaving, but nothing compared to the prolonged agony of staying.
Or it is down to the EU, and the British people who have managed to use the EU to our advantage and create a vibrant prosperous cosmopolitan nation. Imagine what could be achieved if some of our people's scepticism could be overcome and we could lead Europe into an even greater future