EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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The only chance of becoming citizens,rather than cap doffing subjects is to stay in.

I would sooner be a "cap doffer" than a citizen in a corrupt unaccountable European super state. If we wished we could remove the Monarchy in this country we cannot even get the European Bureaucrats to listen to our views let alone hold them to account.
 
I cannot really agree with this, especially about not answering questions. For example if you think that "can you absolutely guarantee that no one will lose their jobs if Brexit wins" is a reasonable, then the answer that "No, the 73 (I think) MEPs will lose their job" has to be an excellent answer, daft as it is.

If you feel Gove was evasive what was your opinion of Cameron? Cameron, was flustered, weak and ineffective. Every single answer he gave went back to the economy being strong.... which if it is the case surely we will survive outside the EU... wouldn't we?

Scores on the doors. Cameron 3.5/10, Gove 7.5/10, Sky 4.5/10. Kay Burley was hopelessly exposed as being totally ineffective. Fasil Islam saw his chance, played to the occasion and both interviews became about him. Gove dealt with that far, far better than Cameron.
As I said, I didn't see the equivalent Cameron interview, however if my decision were based on Cameron's performance elsewhere I'd be voting out. Cameron will come out of this severely weakened irrespective of the result. He's shown himself to be duplicitous and the whole pre-referendum diplomacy and supposed deal he got was extremely poor. I hope we vote to stay in, but if we do it will be in spite of Cameron, not because of him. As for Gove, he comes across well but has no answers as to how things will pan out over the next few years not that I would expect him to. Voting out is a leap of faith that the initial guaranteed downturn in the economy will turn round in a reasonable time. As long as we stay out of the Euro we will avoid the worst aspects of EU membership whilst maintaining our position.
 
And you chose to blame immigration over the criminals exploiting them, Right ho.

The criminals wouldn't be able to exploit them without the complete free movement of people from the EU. So yes, immigration controls, or the lack of, are directly culpable.

In fact, most of the people smugglers are themselves usually EU nationals from Eastern Europe.
 
The criminals wouldn't be able to exploit them without the complete free movement of people from the EU. So yes, immigration controls, or the lack of, are directly culpable.

In fact, most of the people smugglers are themselves usually EU nationals from Eastern Europe.
Spot on sadly. Saw a lot of this when I lived /worked in Lincolnshire for a while. Everyone involved is corrupt and there is no easy answer.
The tent cities in London are a case of supply and demand. You can't afford to live within the m25 unless you are earning a fortune or on benefits generally speaking, but there is still an enormous demand for low paid unskilled and semi skilled workers. These eastern Europeans are filling that gap. We should stop them coming in, but then have to accept we'll be paying a decent wage to British workers to do the same jobs which will then push prices up.
 
Without effective border controls who cares where they are from? We never hear of any illegal migrants being returned quickly. If they survive the crossing they just get lost in paperwork or just abscond and disappear into the black market. You want this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...granted-Albanians-caught-trying-check-UK.html
He actually makes a good point about setting a president with granting asylum. I'm sure it will get lost in the cries of racist ect.
 
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