EU referendum

[rickmcfc]

Ealing mate I'm sure you are a sound bloke but you're not doing the "remain" camp any favours. To be frank you come across as a loudmouth ****, who's opinion is more valid than anyone else. And I'm on your side!! Wind it in pal.

Fits right in with the remain camp then!

 

[Machiavelli]

I already said this the other day.


Sick to the back teeth of people shouting at others in an attempt to sway their vote.

I wish people would finally just accept other people's decisions and just shut the fuck up ! We've had months of this griping and its fucking boring.

Vote in, vote out ! But please stop spouting shit because at the end of the day nobody knows how it will pan out !
Be fucking brave and do what your heart tells you is right but please for the love of Christ everyone ! Stop telling others what to do !

Aren't you telling others what to do here? ;)

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I reckon part of the reason EB2 is getting so much stick is because the Brexiters are panicking a bit with their new found favourites tag!

The debate on here has, by and large, been good natured and more reasoned than the national media campaigns!

 

[CityStu]

I reckon part of the reason EB2 is getting so much stick is because the Brexiters are panicking a bit with their new found favourites tag!

The debate on here has, by and large, been good natured and more reasoned than the national media campaigns!

That's why EB2's getting stick. He's descended to their levels over the last couple of days.

 

[bobmcfc]

Aren't you telling others what to do here? ;)

I see what you did there. This thread has been endless arguments with nobody really knowing the future. I've said people shouldn't tell others how to vote. I'm going to do what I feel is right in my heart. Not going to vote through fear but what I believe would be better for our country. In or out I think people should do what they feel is right for them

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Bit late for that now lol. I've pretty much been on the fence about which way to vote, and probably would've voted to remain on the day of the vote.
But with the leave objections & scare-mongering by Ealing, Cameron & co becoming more hysterical each day i've found myself inching towards the leave camp. Also to find out that Ealing works for Goldman Sachs & is also a non UK resident makes me even more suspicious of his motives, just like most of the politicians involved on both sides.

I'm now at a point where i wouldn't mind seeing a leave vote just to see the meltdown by Ealing, Cameron, Osborne & Co.
As to the ramifications & problems a leave vote may cause, i have faith & confidence that Britain can weather the storm and actually come out the other side in a better & stronger position.

I don't think so. There is more ramifications than the brexiters even realise. Leaving Europe will fuck us up, as articulated very well by other posters. No good will come from isolating ourselves.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's why EB2's getting stick. He's descended to their levels over the last couple of days.

Maybe so, but I think some are the Brexiters are struggling to handle the pressure a bit. The celebration on here after the Sun announced their support for Leave was a bit reminiscent of Liverpool publishing their title winning open top bus route in 2014!

 

[EalingBlue2]

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The people who come from outside the EU will be either professional people bringing the skills we need or students paying for education. We need these people to function.

The people from the EU in part will be professionals, but others will be or are even unskilled people coming here to better themselves, but are not bringing the skills we need. I can't blame them for that, if you can whY wouldn't you?

I thought the people mainly coming from outside the EU were on family visas in the main whereas EU were coming more directly seeking work? Most of the immigration fear stories and cultural issues raised seem to be aimed at the non EU immigrants rather than the EU ones, which I assume we could already control with or without the EU if governments wanted to? Could it be with low unemployment and deficit an ageing population ect government doesn't want to control this at all?

 

[sir baconface]

Anyone think there is a possibility of street protests / riots from the supporters of the losing outcome?

Possibly. If so, Dover could be the cradle. A down-at-heel town disfigured by immigration fallout and already home to regular "fascist"/"anti-fascist" clashes.

Hopefully not.

 

[Machiavelli]

I see what you did there. This thread has been endless arguments with nobody really knowing the future. I've said people shouldn't tell others how to vote. I'm going to do what I feel is right in my heart. Not going to vote through fear but what I believe would be better for our country. In or out I think people should do what they feel is right for them

I know what you mean although it's made for interesting reading and it's been far better than what's being said in the media.
I'm just going to do ip dip dog shit - either way we'll get fucked over with the usual deals and negotiations behind closed doors.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Interesting intervention from Dominic Grieve tonight - his view - as a former attorney general - is that todays Brexit roadmap would mean the UK would be ejected from the EU on the basis that we are not fulfilling our treaty obligations before we have chance to repeal laws and formally leave on our own terms thus forcing ALL post referendum negotiations to take place with the UK outside the EU and at a disadvantage.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Maybe so, but I think some are the Brexiters are struggling to handle the pressure a bit. The celebration on here after the Sun announced their support for Leave was a bit reminiscent of Liverpool publishing their title winning open top bus route in 2014!

Talking about the stock market because it was real news and not news brexiters wanted to hear as it was real and could not be dismissed as lies certainly brought out a rabid response from brexit era showing just how much they hated the news. Interesting that actual facts brought out so much more anger than forecasts that could be more easily dismissed. It certainly showed last night how much Brexit fears that the economic reality of Brexit will be made real before the 23rd.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Interesting intervention from Dominic Grieve tonight - his view - as a former attorney general - is that todays Brexit roadmap would mean the UK would be ejected from the EU on the basis that we are not fulfilling our treaty obligations before we have chance to repeal laws and formally leave on our own terms thus forcing ALL post referendum negotiations to take place with the UK outside the EU and at a disadvantage.

If they are smart they would do all they can to put themselves in the strongest position.

 

[CityStu]

Maybe so, but I think some are the Brexiters are struggling to handle the pressure a bit. The celebration on here after the Sun announced their support for Leave was a bit reminiscent of Liverpool publishing their title winning open top bus route in 2014!

I think that the Sun's support and going ahead in the polls got people believing a Leave vote could happen, and that it seems to have been the Remain supporters being silly since then (EB2 as a case in point, but also Chippy on the other thread). I would imagine a far greater proportion of Leave voters were predicting a Remain vote than vice versa.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Sick to the back teeth of people shouting at others in an attempt to sway their vote.

I wish people would finally just accept other people's decisions and just shut the fuck up ! We've had months of this griping and its fucking boring.
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I wholeheartedly agree - I think that most people probably knew which way they would vote even before the referendum was announced and this bickering is doing little or nothing to sway anybody - just piss them off. I just want it over with so we can deal with the post vote debris once the bomb has gone off either way.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think that the Sun's support and going ahead in the polls got people believing a Leave vote could happen, and that it seems to have been the Remain supporters being silly since then (EB2 as a case in point, but also Chippy on the other thread). I would imagine a far greater proportion of Leave voters were predicting a Remain vote than vice versa.

Hmmm.... the Suns "Kinnock moment" perhaps?

 

[bluethrunthru]

If they are smart they would do all they can to put themselves in the strongest position.

we are talking about politicians here though Lol !! Smart?????

 

[bobmcfc]

Maybe so, but I think some are the Brexiters are struggling to handle the pressure a bit. The celebration on here after the Sun announced their support for Leave was a bit reminiscent of Liverpool publishing their title winning open top bus route in 2014!

Well this actually shows quite a large divide. The word brexiter is thrown around here like a derogatory term and quite frankly it's offensive ! It's people like you that divide and conquer because you think you know it all but You don't know it all

I know what you mean although it's made for interesting reading and it's been far better than what's being said in the media.
I'm just going to do ip dip dog shit - either way we'll get fucked over with the usual deals and negotiations behind closed doors.

its surprised me really ! The word Brexiter now seems like a dirty word ! An insult even, I'd be glad to never hear the term ever again . It's like a person scowls and looks down their nose as they say it. I do want out but others can vote as they wish, personally care not for an institution that despises us as nation. They need us yet hold us in contempt but I'm not here to tell anyone how to think, this is just what I intend to do.
I'm probably just tired of the handful on here that are being over the top in there views

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Fits right in with the remain camp then!

loudmouth cunts, bojo farage and gove also?? ;-)

considering abstaining from this one, it honestly seems pointless. fuck all will be different immediately. ignorance is bliss for many voters, and they don't give a monkeys for their kids, or kids kids. we're European, the bigoted Muppets voting out, if it happens, will see a shitstorm over the next decades. moving to Asia if it goes down.

 

[sir baconface]

I'm just going to do ip dip dog shit - either way we'll get fucked over with the usual deals and negotiations behind closed doors.

At least you won't be disappointed ;)

Interesting intervention from Dominic Grieve tonight - his view - as a former attorney general - is that todays Brexit roadmap would mean the UK would be ejected from the EU on the basis that we are not fulfilling our treaty obligations before we have chance to repeal laws and formally leave on our own terms thus forcing ALL post referendum negotiations to take place with the UK outside the EU and at a disadvantage.

A risky strategy though.