EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Dont know mate...ask Cameron!!;)

I just think the numbers from non EU countries show that the UK Government could have started to Fix immigration issues many years ago by improving the system that allows non EU people into the country.....We've had control over this but done nothing...like I always believed...UK Government just as much at fault than any EU regulation.....It just suits the Gove's of this world to use immigration now to try to win the argument.....

As a side note....he did better than what I expected against some tough questions!;)
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Non-EU immigration requires the person to fulfil a series of criteria for coming into the UK. Hence it is fair to assume that they are all contributing in one way or another (students with fees or skilled employees with good jobs paying their share of tax). The EU has none of these restrictions and we are forced to welcome all and sundry, regardless of skills or finance.

I bet many Outers don't even think the amount of immigration is a problem - it is the lack of control that is most peoples' issue. In the interest of honesty, I would also like us to see the number of migrants coming in to lessen the strain on schools, health services and housing but I accept the argument that that is the UK government's responsibility (though don't agree with it - you can't plan spending when you don't know how many will require the service).
 
sir baconface said:
Evening No 1, mate. Fair questions. Big Joe has answered you regarding the policy that would follow an exit. However, there is another side to this: political complacency. Some people are let in who shouldn't be, because of inadequate checks and patrols. Criminals and illegals are not deported when they should be because of either inefficiency, lack of will or yooman rights. Labour, coalition and Tory governments alike haven't given a flying fcuk. It is one small but significant reason for the backlash against the political establishment.

Whether we stay or go, they've had their arses singed and I'm sure this is one area that will receive more attention.
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Hi mate!;) I hope your right.....I know it might seem to the "outs" I've got a closed mind on these things but hope you can understand why, when I hear, that alot of our immigration issues actually come from non EU people....it just doesnt fill me with much confidence that the Government know what they are doing!
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Dont know mate...ask Cameron!!;)

I just think the numbers from non EU countries show that the UK Government could have started to Fix immigration issues many years ago by improving the system that allows non EU people into the country.....We've had control over this but done nothing...like I always believed...UK Government just as much at fault than any EU regulation.....It just suits the Gove's of this world to use immigration now to try to win the argument.....

As a side note....he did better than what I expected against some tough questions!;)
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TB1. The people that come here from outside the EU do so because we need their skills, it is not a case of them rocking up and expectin and demanding housing and benefits. They come here with skills and jobs and to work (taking refugees out of the equation). The non-EU migrants probably do contribute and pay for their keep.

The people from the EU come here to better themselves because.... they can. They don't have to have work, they do expect to be housed and they do claim benefits... because they ca,n, and why not? I suggest that the majority of EU migrants are on very low wages and barely pay tax, I emphasise the majority and not ALL, there will be a percentage who like non-EU migrants will bring skills we need and will pay taxes and pay their way. In the future there is no reason to stop these people, who have the skills and talent we need from coming.

Please stop thinking all Non-EU migrants can and should be stopped, it's ruining your credibility.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Hi mate!;) I hope your right.....I know it might seem to the "outs" I've got a closed mind on these things but hope you can understand why, when I hear, that alot of our immigration issues actually come from non EU people....it just doesnt fill me with much confidence that the Government know what they are doing!
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Sadly, despite my words in defence of the non-EU immigration policy, I must concur with your last thoughts about the Government not knowing what they're doing.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
TB1. The people that come here from outside the EU do so because we need their skills, it is not a case of them rocking up and expectin and demanding housing and benefits. They come here with skills and jobs and to work (taking refugees out of the equation). The non-EU migrants probably do contribute and pay for their keep.

The people from the EU come here to better themselves because.... they can. They don't have to have work, they do expect to be housed and they do claim benefits... because they ca,n, and why not? I suggest that the majority of EU migrants are on very low wages and barely pay tax, I emphasise the majority and not ALL, there will be a percentage who like non-EU migrants will bring skills we need and will pay taxes and pay their way. In the future there is no reason to stop these people, who have the skills and talent we need from coming.

Please stop thinking all Non-EU migrants can and should be stopped, it's ruining your credibility.
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Hi mate....dont worry, I understand your point and "get it"... but my point is....we still giving our jobs to people from the other side of the world when we should have been training people here....It's been cheaper for the Government to bring people over from non EU countries than invest in our country and the people here. Its suited them to let people in!...Just want it to be clear, my vote has nothing to do with immigration (clearly, as I voting stay!) but it does show even when we've had control, we havent shown much (if that makes sense) Alot of people will be voting against non British people taking their jobs..I know, I've heard them say it!.....but the reality is the UK Government have been allowing non EU people to take their jobs for years, even with control over that part of immigration.....I havent given this much thought until I heard it on Question time this evening....
 
SWP's back said:
No. His post was pathetic. I don't always agree with Ealing but he's more intelligent than the vast majority on here and is able to argue his own points very well.

Today and yesterday he purposely posted misleading headlines. He knows what he posted added nothing to the debate though they may scare those not well versed on the subject.

As I told him, he's better than that.
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Thank you.

I should also add I think eb is a thoughtful bloke with some interesting ideas on life and definitely means well it's just in this debate on the eu referendum , sometimes I think firstly Why do you care so much? and secondly, he is like a dog with a bone when starts debating!!!!!
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Hi mate....dont worry, I understand your point and "get it"... but my point is....we still giving our jobs to people from the other side of the world when we should have been training people here....It's been cheaper for the Government to bring people over from non EU countries than invest in our country and the people here. Its suited them to let people in!...Just want it to be clear, my vote has nothing to do with immigration (clearly, as I voting stay!) but it does show even when we've had control, we havent shown much (if that makes sense) Alot of people will be voting against non British people taking their jobs..I know, I've heard them say it!.....but the reality is the UK Government have been allowing non EU people to take their jobs for years, even with control over that part of immigration.....I havent given this much thought until I heard it on Question time this evening....
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True, about agreeing, though truth be told I don't think we're too many millions of miles apart on many things.

I understand your points, but the jobs and skills we're talking about are of the type that needs long term investment in training and, as we all know, our governments (of both persuasions) do not plan any further ahead than five years, even though they like to kid us that they do. Sadly that's a fact, so they prefer to poach the skills from other, often less developed than our own, countries. That I'm afraid is a fact of life. Some of these people will come from inside the EU, the majority though will come from outside. C'est la vie mon ami.
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
Thank you.

I should also add I think eb is a thoughtful bloke with some interesting ideas on life and definitely means well it's just in this debate on the eu referendum , sometimes I think firstly Why do you care so much? and secondly, he is like a dog with a bone when starts debating!!!!!
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You've only been here for 12 weeks!
 
Blue Hefner said:
I like Jacob Rees Mogg - I might disagree with what he says(I don't in this instance) but he always seems genuine
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With you on this. The Tory Brexit politicians seem to be able to conduct themselves far better than their Remain counterparts. I don't necessarily agree with all they say but in my book their tone and manner and the content make it much easier for me to accept.
 
blueonblue said:
No, it is not "Your point", you want to increase tax to provide more whatever the f*ck is in short supply, without understanding its in short supply because the number requiring it is increasing by huge numbers of people who did not pay for or build it.
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No tax would be increased to substitute for little or no growth and an ageing population and to reduce deficit and fund pensions and healthcare . Address the issues we use immigration to hide and in both these cases the impact from immigration is for now under indexed because of age
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Also advocating increases in tax in the uk. It's an easy thing to say if you don't live in the uk.
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This is the entire problem though you don't really wish to solve the problem , you want to make a grand gesture - trump politics . If you want to stop immigration then sacrifices have to be made, if you aren't prepared to make them them nothing will change .

We need similar in Aus but 1 our deficit is a sixth of the size proportionally and two we made the sacrifice and have over two decades of substantial compulsory superannuation which is increasing In % terms
 
EalingBlue2 said:
This is the entire problem though you don't really wish to solve the problem , you want to make a grand gesture - trump politics . If you want to stop immigration then sacrifices have to be made, if you aren't prepared to make them them nothing will change .

We need similar in Aus but 1 our deficit is a sixth of the size proportionally and two we made the sacrifice and have over two decades of substantial compulsory superannuation which is increasing In % terms
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All assuming that the EU migrants add to the economy, which they wouldn't if the NI numbers are the one's to go by and not the 'official' ONS figures (which are collected in a manner that's wooly at best).
 
BigJoe#1 said:
True, about agreeing, though truth be told I don't think we're too many millions of miles apart on many things.

I understand your points, but the jobs and skills we're talking about are of the type that needs long term investment in training and, as we all know, our governments (of both persuasions) do not plan any further ahead than five years, even though they like to kid us that they do. Sadly that's a fact, so they prefer to poach the skills from other, often less developed than our own, countries. That I'm afraid is a fact of life. Some of these people will come from inside the EU, the majority though will come from outside. C'est la vie mon ami.
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Your right mate....maybe we not that far apart after all! ;) Appreciate the reply! cheers....
 
Anyone think there is a possibility of street protests / riots from the supporters of the losing outcome?
 
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