With some of the right wing crap on this site - I can't help it - this is a site that tells the world about City and their fans.If the cap fits buddy haha;-)
That's bollocks. What are you afraid of?? People move countries all the time. Accept you can't control everything all the time, England slash Britain is an attractive nation. Some people want to live here. I for one just don't get this sense of exclusion that the outers have. It's bullshit.
democracy is the best way to govern the only way to govern but we are royally fucking it up the world over. Media, spin , short termism, slogans , battle buses it's all fucking pathetic. I am not sure which is worse the Brexit vote or the US election, so few capable of looking at the big picture nowadaysThat's a fact of all career politicians. In the old days you had to have made a name for yourself in an industry before running for office, not walk straight out of school and try to represent the people.
Don't know if anyone knows this, but continental Europeans don't even need a passport. The fuckheads in charge ballsed that one up a few decades ago.
Britain has used immigration to full low played employment for centuries how the hell do you think these jobs can be lined up in advance or do more jobs just leave the country. Judging by applications for doctors to move to the Aus from the uk since Hubr came in you'll be needing a lot moreIt's not bollocks. It's a fact. A fact as obvious as any other.
People move countries all the time? err yea?
It's not about exclusion. I'm all for immigration. I'd like to see, for instance, Doctors and Nurses from all over the globe come here in large numbers. I'd also like to see people have to have employment lined up before coming here, which is something totally in our control (but only) if we vote to Leave. That'd knock 77,000 off net EU immigration even before any other change in policy.
It's not about disliking 'the other' or anything remotely like that, for me the immigration issue is primarily about the ability of a society to adapt to the environment.
As I say, I'm all for immigration, I don't have a fetish for EU immigration tho. Why do you want to exclude the rest of the world? EU immigration is 50% and yet it's only around 7% of world population.
Overall, from my point of view, the primary argument to Leave is, as Tony Benn stated, a democratic argument.
Everyone has always talked the talk about Democracy. Well, now it's time to walk the walk.
With some of the right wing crap on this site - I can't help it - this is a site that tells the world about City and their fans.
It is different looking outside in, outside Europe - certainly in Asia the whole idea of Brexit is seen as bizarre.
As for me putting people off maybe I am but at least on here the trend has gone from nearly 60:40 to 56:44 so clearly the anti immigration mob are upsetting more.
It's all on a knife edge
You mean remain? Democratic Europe over the House of Lords , non elected bureaucracy and monarchy?It's not bollocks. It's a fact. A fact as obvious as any other.
People move countries all the time? err yea?
It's not about exclusion. I'm all for immigration. I'd like to see, for instance, Doctors and Nurses from all over the globe come here in large numbers. I'd also like to see people have to have employment lined up before coming here, which is something totally in our control (but only) if we vote to Leave. That'd knock 77,000 off net EU immigration even before any other change in policy.
It's not about disliking 'the other' or anything remotely like that, for me the immigration issue is primarily about the ability of a society to adapt to the environment.
As I say, I'm all for immigration, I don't have a fetish for EU immigration tho. Why do you want to exclude the rest of the world? EU immigration is 50% and yet it's only around 7% of world population.
Overall, from my point of view, the primary argument to Leave is, as Tony Benn stated, a democratic argument.
Everyone has always talked the talk about Democracy. Well, now it's time to walk the walk.
That's bollocks and all. Daft fucking soundbite to attempt to justify a small minded position, get a grip.It's not bollocks. It's a fact. A fact as obvious as any other.
People move countries all the time? err yea?
It's not about exclusion. I'm all for immigration. I'd like to see, for instance, Doctors and Nurses from all over the globe come here in large numbers. I'd also like to see people have to have employment lined up before coming here, which is something totally in our control (but only) if we vote to Leave. That'd knock 77,000 off net EU immigration even before any other change in policy.
It's not about disliking 'the other' or anything remotely like that, for me the immigration issue is primarily about the ability of a society to adapt to the environment.
As I say, I'm all for immigration, I don't have a fetish for EU immigration tho. Why do you want to exclude the rest of the world? EU immigration is 50% and yet it's only around 7% of world population.
Overall, from my point of view, the primary argument to Leave is, as Tony Benn stated, a democratic argument.
Everyone has always talked the talk about Democracy. Well, now it's time to walk the walk.
Time to ask for evidence to back this up.
The last census ( a little out of date ) doesn't suggest any heavy immigration.
http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/south-east/dover
89.6% of people living in Dover were born in England. Other top answers for country of birth were 1.6% Scotland, 1.1% Wales, 0.4% Ireland, 0.4% Northern Ireland, 0.4% United States, 0.3% India, 0.2% South Africa, 0.1% Hong Kong , 0.1% Australia.
The only dodgy stuff I can find is the BNP types causing trouble
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...13-after-immigration-demos-in-dover-turn-ugly
You are essentially for anti-discrimination immigration. How people can't see this as being a good thing is beyond me.It's not bollocks. It's a fact. A fact as obvious as any other.
People move countries all the time? err yea?
It's not about exclusion. I'm all for immigration. I'd like to see, for instance, Doctors and Nurses from all over the globe come here in large numbers. I'd also like to see people have to have employment lined up before coming here, which is something totally in our control (but only) if we vote to Leave. That'd knock 77,000 off net EU immigration even before any other change in policy.
It's not about disliking 'the other' or anything remotely like that, for me the immigration issue is primarily about the ability of a society to adapt to the environment.
As I say, I'm all for immigration, I don't have a fetish for EU immigration tho. Why do you want to exclude the rest of the world? EU immigration is 50% and yet it's only around 7% of world population.
Overall, from my point of view, the primary argument to Leave is, as Tony Benn stated, a democratic argument.
Everyone has always talked the talk about Democracy. Well, now it's time to walk the walk.
Actually, I have always thought that you should have a significant majority requirement if you are running a country by referenda (two thirds/ one third maybe on issues that involve a change in structural direction) to avoid a situation where you get 51/49 disputes but just to avoid changing structure every time a question is asked. In that case, there would be no chance of a leave vote I imagine.
Or compulsory voting which I must admit I like down here. I would have to think about that , I agree in one sense but that would deny change to65% like Royal Troon and could be exploited by a minority . Had things like civil rights been put to that test they'd never have happened. I still think it should have been an election issue and MPs make such decisions on an informed basis personally. But Cameron didn't want it as an election issue hence the referendumActually, I have always thought that you should have a significant majority requirement if you are running a country by referenda (two thirds/ one third maybe on issues that involve a change in structural direction) to avoid a situation where you get 51/49 disputes but just to avoid changing structure every time a question is asked. In that case, there would be no chance of a leave vote I imagine.
America is fucked regardless. Either the forgiving Clinton with all that baggage, or the Donald, an arsehole of the highest order who was in wrestlemania a decade ago, we should take him seriously??democracy is the best way to govern the only way to govern but we are royally fucking it up the world over. Media, spin , short termism, slogans , battle buses it's all fucking pathetic. I am not sure which is worse the Brexit vote or the US election, so few capable of looking at the big picture nowadays
that part of Kent was fucked by cheap air travel and cheap package holidays long ago as was Thanet and many other seaside towns that are now hell holes. It's capitalism nothing more nothing less, asylum seekers go there as that's the cheapest easiest solution for government - send them where you have empty houses and B&Bs. Poor immigrants get sent to poor areas and then take the blame.Your figures are for Dover district, which includes a number of pleasant villages and small, historic towns. Mostly white, reasonably prosperous and conservative. The town of Dover accounts for 30-odd thousand of the 111,000 district total. Its socio-demographics differ from the district as a whole.
Dover town accounts for some 90% of the district's crime.
It has home-grown problems together with a significant number of asylum seekers and other immigrants. For many, It is literally their first port of call and lots of them don't move on.
Unfortunately it is also blighted by (mostly) visiting BNP types and their left wing equivalents, both of whom enjoy a regular scrap.
A once-great town that is now, sadly, a bit of a shithouse.
That's bollocks and all. Daft fucking soundbite to attempt to justify a small minded position, get a grip.
You are essentially for anti-discrimination immigration. How people can't see this as being a good thing is beyond me.
There's always the possibility that not everyone filled in the census,, even though it's illegal not to. I'm sure it wont worry swathes of people's.Time to ask for evidence to back this up.
The last census ( a little out of date ) doesn't suggest any heavy immigration.
http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/south-east/dover
89.6% of people living in Dover were born in England. Other top answers for country of birth were 1.6% Scotland, 1.1% Wales, 0.4% Ireland, 0.4% Northern Ireland, 0.4% United States, 0.3% India, 0.2% South Africa, 0.1% Hong Kong , 0.1% Australia.
The only dodgy stuff I can find is the BNP types causing trouble
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...13-after-immigration-demos-in-dover-turn-ugly
TBF Donald and Dave isn't that much better, if in fact it's better at all.America is fucked regardless. Either the forgiving Clinton with all that baggage, or the Donald, an arsehole of the highest order who was in wrestlemania a decade ago, we should take him seriously??
Boris and Donald as the western chiefs, God help us (said as an agnostic, it's that desperate)
Doesn't bear thinking about, but it is what it is. Can't change, or rearrange it at this stage. I'm sounding very pessimistic, however i cannot bring myself to trust the general public with this decision, and as much as I love my European cousins, if the selfish dickheads get their way and we leave, they'll fuck us over. The staggering shortsightedness from brexit is gonna screw us all long term. Stated this before, I dislike Cameron. but on this he's right. England, Great Britain, the UK, is a European nation. Without a doubt, in. Hope my countrymen agree on polling day.TBF Donald and Dave isn't that much better, if in fact it's better at all.
Edited for correction! This shows just how close yet far apart the two sides are!Doesn't bear thinking about, but it is what it is. Can't change, or rearrange it at this stage. I'm sounding very pessimistic, however i cannot bring myself to trust the general public with this decision, and as much as I love my European cousins, if the selfish dickheads get their way and we remain, they'll fuck us over. The staggering shortsightedness from Remain is gonna screw us all long term. Stated this before, I dislike Johnson. but on this he's right. England, Great Britain, the UK, is NOT a EU nation. Without a doubt, OUT. Hope my countrymen agree on polling day.
If I tell my three year old not to play around with water near electrical items or she could get hurt, is that a threat or sensible advice? When did sensible advice become a threat and is this a deliberate and clever strategy to try and discredit sensible advice by brexiters?