EU referendum

[halfcenturyup]

To clarify the EUs intentions in the event of a legal dispute eg in the ECJ

OK. Good luck with that.

 

[BigJoe#1]

The leavers still haven't got the f*cking message, they aint scare stories.

Soooo.... If we vote to leave we can look forward to WW3 and expect a punishment budget along with being £4K a year worse off with pensioners being £30k a year worse off?

If I wasn't already going to vote out I'd be minded to just to test these unsubstantiated scare stories.

Roll on 24th!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Yes it's so tiresome being a continual stooge for the US.

Spot on mate!

 

[Blue Hefner]

I hope you are right about Farrage. Regarding Gove and Johnson, if the South East of England want them they will be in power!

Brexit and the eventual independence of Scotland will lead to the North of England having very little influence in UK politics.

The first paragraph sounds like a conspiracy theory and the 2nd seems a bit fluffy with 'eventual independence.....'

I can't see how staying in the EU will benefit us the people in the next 5,10, 20years etc - more people coming in will put extra strain on our already underfunded public services and this cheap labour will keep wages down.

The EU/Eurozone, in my opinion just doesn't work. Look at the unemployment figures for countries like Greece, Spain, Italy etc. It has failed the people. The reason why the establishment want to keep us is because if we leave then other countries might want to follow suit. Nothing to do with security and the like, they are interesting in feathering thier nest and that of big business(I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory)

 

[Metal Biker]

I wouldn't trust Johnson any further than I can throw him but it's not an election and I'm not voting on the basis of who supports either side. I've thought very carefully about what I believe is the bigger picture and I believe we're better out than in.

The two main party leaders pushing for Remain are both well known to be eurosceptics. So you could equally ask why people are voting for two politicians who clearly don't have the courage of their convictions and are asking people to do something they don't believe in themselves.

100% agree with every word.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Lol, many polls have repeatedly shown that the most important issue for those wanting out of the E.U. is immigration.

whats wrong with that ? most of the country has concerns about immigration, remainers and leavers.

 

[Machiavelli]

I agree even if you want to leave, basing a decision on a campaign led by Gove, Johnson, Farage and IDS is like expecting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to bring a better future.

Behold a pale white politician.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I wouldn't trust Johnson any further than I can throw him but it's not an election and I'm not voting on the basis of who supports either side. I've thought very carefully about what I believe is the bigger picture and I believe we're better

I wouldn't trust Johnson any further than I can throw him but it's not an election and I'm not voting on the basis of who supports either side. I've thought very carefully about what I believe is the bigger picture and I believe we're better out than in.

The two main party leaders pushing for Remain are both well known to be eurosceptics. So you could equally ask why people are voting for two politicians who clearly don't have the courage of their convictions and are asking people to do something they don't believe in themselves.

Fair points PB plus Bojo Giggs is prepared to shag his own family (the Turks) for personal gain!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Soooo.... If we vote to leave we can look forward to WW3 and expect a punishment budget along with being £4K a year worse off with pensioners being £30k a year worse off?

If I wasn't already going to vote out I'd be minded to just to test these unsubstantiated scare stories.

Roll on 24th!

I am looking forward to the 24th a bit too, whichever way the vote goes!

 

[Blue Til Death]

I know one thing having watched this debate pan out on here, most of the nastiness, foam mouthed rhetoric and flawed logic has come from the remain campaign, getting desperate I think...
Well, there are sheep and there are Shepherds, on Thursday next week the Shepherds will prevail and out we will go..!!! Baaaaaaaaaa

 

[sir baconface]

Doesn't it strike people as rather ironic that the Leaver in the street, who has FUCK ALL say in how the country is run, is so offended by his/her loss of sovereignty (not that they have any) that they do want out. Utterly bonkers. Yet another example of how and why the Leave campaign makes no sense and is simply a frenzy of ill-thought out jingoistism, carrying people with it who know no better.

This is the sort of 5-star arrogance that has seen the "remain" vote move from an assumed landslide to even stevens. And a demonstration of how the liberal left despise the man in the street while claiming to be inclusive.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I think Farage is a ****, but I think he's more principled than a lot of them. He is campaigning for people to vote him out of a job, after all.

And straight into the unelected House of Lords via his new bff Boris.

 

[CityStu]

And straight into the unelected House of Lords via his new bff Boris.

I'd rather he were there than Kinnock.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Yes perhaps the people who wish to leave could tell people in which decade over the last one hundred years the UK was a land of milk and honey.

The answer to that question is very simple.... None.

Especially over the last four decades.

If you were to ask for a decade when was Britain strong and a leader in world politics, well outside of the last four decades.... go fill yer boots!

 

[sir baconface]

Sadly its taken an MP the ugly, racist


Farage is a fraud he cracks on he's a man of the people when in actual fact he's a bigot and out and out racist in the same sense of Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson. This was proven yesterday with that poster stunt. He might as well have come in jack booted supported by his storm troopers donning a swastika flag performing a facist salute.

Interesting that he's the only leading political figure to have remained constant and also the one almost solely responsible for key issues like immigration no longer being suppressed by the establishment. I can see why you are upset.

 

[Chippy_boy]

This is the sort of 5-star arrogance that has seen the "remain" vote move from an assumed landslide to even stevens. And a demonstration of how the liberal left despise the man in the street while claiming to be inclusive.

No, it's just that you can't stand to hear the truth.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

But we can vote them out if we(as a country) think they are doing a poor job or feel future plans are not in our best interests
And Farage, will never have 'power' at a national level

That is worse, in that he has power at international level and he has deliberately chosen to not exert it by failing to turn up at EU meetings and then acting a dick when he was there.
He has been elected to represent the UK in Europe for about 10 years and has failed to do anything of the sort.
He whines about the failing influence of the UK in the EU and yet it is him being the problem.

 

[Chippy_boy]

That is worse, in that he has power at international level and he has deliberately chosen to not exert it by failing to turn up at EU meetings and then acting a dick when he was there.
He has been elected to represent the UK in Europe for about 10 years and has failed to do anything of the sort.
He whines about the failing influence of the UK in the EU and yet it is him being the problem.

Agree completely. It's a total disgrace that him and his cohorts have been banking their MEP salaries for years and doing absolutely fuck all work to earn it.

And he wonders why we lose friends in Europe when he goes around saying ""all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk" or whatever it was he said to that van rumpoy bloke. How fucking embarrassing.

 

[Blue Hefner]

That is worse, in that he has power at international level and he has deliberately chosen to not exert it by failing to turn up at EU meetings and then acting a dick when he was there.
He has been elected to represent the UK in Europe for about 10 years and has failed to do anything of the sort.
He whines about the failing influence of the UK in the EU and yet it is him being the problem.

What he/they do or don't do whilst in power is another debate, we can still vote them in/out

I would like us to leave but that doesn't mean I want Johnson or any Tory leading the country. And whilst I am talking about political parties, I am appalled by the Labour Party's actions during the debate - summed up by that pathetic interview Hilary Benn did with Andrew Niel a few pages back

 

[YPhrunts]

[QUOTE="Prestwich_Blue, but it's not an election and I'm not voting on the basis of who supports either side. [/QUOTE]

This point is continually overlooked by people that want to personalise politics.
Milliband lost the last election because people didn't like HIM not because of his policies. It's pathetic. And now some people on here are going to vote in a referendum on the basis of personalities rather than on the issues. Democracy has many faults and this tendency to personalise it is one of them. Sturgeon is a twat but I wouldn't vote her down because she's a nagging pain in the arse. Amber Rudd was a disgrace attacking Boris in a personal way on national prime time TV but I wouldn't vote her down because she is a personal disgrace to her party. You have to detach yourself from the irritating twats and vote on the issues. This referendum is not party political and you need to look at the veracity of the statements not who is making them.
So yes you are spot on there.