There are plenty more positions that need expensively strengthening before we need to start on Hart. Sure, he makes mistakes. Every keeper does, just like every other player ever. Messi missed a crucial penalty. Let's spend our money in new full backs, centre backs, midfielders and strikers. We may have unlimited funds but there are still limits on what we can spend, especially as prices for Premiership clubs have gone through the roof.
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Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)
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I thought (as the last line of defence) Joe should have done better with the shot but, with better defenders in front of him, he wouldn't have, and shouldn't have, had to deal with it in the first place. When you look at the way both N Ireland and Wales defended on Sunday, committed, organised and, when it mattered, putting their bodies on the line in order to block a shot and then watch as England's central defenders just let Iceland stroll through them. Nobody even attempted to stop him getting that shot in, unfortunately that's when you need your keeper to pull you out of the shit, and Joe didn't last night or against Wales.
If Lee Dixon can assess Icelands threat from throw ins and sort out a plan to deal with it in half an hour and, other than mentoring the Arsenal lad Jenkinson, he doesn't do any coaching, why on earth couldn't 'England's greatest right back' Gary Neville sort it in a week. Then, as Dixon highlighted, not change it at half time when we'd conceded because of it.
If Lee Dixon can assess Icelands threat from throw ins and sort out a plan to deal with it in half an hour and, other than mentoring the Arsenal lad Jenkinson, he doesn't do any coaching, why on earth couldn't 'England's greatest right back' Gary Neville sort it in a week. Then, as Dixon highlighted, not change it at half time when we'd conceded because of it.
The guy has been garbage in this tournament and if he did not play for us we would be slating him also.
Pep would not be doing his job if he chose not to look at Joe.
Last season we saw his constant punching of crosses. His bad distribution.
Pep would not be doing his job if he chose not to look at Joe.
Last season we saw his constant punching of crosses. His bad distribution.
its a Barm
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Joe Hart is bottom of the list when it comes to England's problems.
The guy has been garbage in this tournament and if he did not play for us we would be slating him also.
Pep would not be doing his job if he chose not to look at Joe.
Last season we saw his constant punching of crosses. His bad distribution.
In regards his distribution, why is it that his distribution for the Euros stands at 76% ( up there with the best ) yet his distribution for City last season in the Prem was at 52%?
Either his footwork has come on leaps and bounds in a month or there's another reason for it.
Riddle me that.
The fact remains your goal keeper gains confidence from the players in front of him. The second goal was his fault but the first had he come for its and missed or been bundled out of it he'd have been slated even more. I would seriously question the defence who knew that this missile was coming and the levels of concentration were absent 34 seconds after taking a lead.
But when all said done if you can't beat Iceland even giving them a goal start you have issues. Hodgson is a clown and should have gone after the world cup debarcle what do you expect from a second rate manager?
But when all said done if you can't beat Iceland even giving them a goal start you have issues. Hodgson is a clown and should have gone after the world cup debarcle what do you expect from a second rate manager?
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In regards his distribution, why is it that his distribution for the Euros stands at 76% ( up there with the best ) yet his distribution for City last season in the Prem was at 52%?
Either his footwork has come on leaps and bounds in a month or there's another reason for it.
Riddle me that.
For a start, the Premier League is 38 games & he's played 4 in the Euro's.....
For a start, the Premier League is 38 games & he's played 4 in the Euro's.....
And your point is?
babyape
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Fantastic Goalkeeper and very happy he plays for us. Kept us in the biggest games time and time again.
And will continue to do so.
Yeah, he has his problems, but everyone does. No need to look elsewhere in my opinion.
And will continue to do so.
Yeah, he has his problems, but everyone does. No need to look elsewhere in my opinion.
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And your point is?
You do anything 38 times compared to 4 & the success rate is nearly always going to be different.... more chances to make mistakes
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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Honestly, I think he's a very good keeper for us, and a fair (to sometimes poorish) keeper for England. He's our keeper, and I don't really see the need to replace him. As for England, well, they can drop him if they like, and put, say, Jack Butland in, just as a try-out. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Why not. There's room to experiment now in the England line-up.
You do anything 38 times compared to 4 & the success rate is nearly always going to be different.... more chances to make mistakes
Yet if you look at individual games you'll see that Hart fairly consistently posted pass success of between 50 and 55% for City in the Prem.
This thing about his distribution is being blown well out of proportion, just as much responsibility falls on the outfield players making themselves available and/or fighting for possession as does the quality of the keepers' passes.
Lancet Fluke
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I agree. I like him so I hope he does well for England but ultimately as long as he plays well for us, that's all I am really concerned about. He has saved our arses so many more times than he has let us down that I struggle to get my head around some of the grief he gets from some blues. Just seems to me that we are now in a situation at City where if a player isn't pretty much perfect then he's likely to get hammered from some quarters.Fantastic Goalkeeper and very happy he plays for us. Kept us in the biggest games time and time again.
And will continue to do so.
Yeah, he has his problems, but everyone does. No need to look elsewhere in my opinion.
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Not worried about Joe for a minute. He's a different player for England. He was edgy and pumped up but he let it get to him. You could see him in the tunnel and during the anthem, he was twitchy because he was so up for the game. As a midfielder that might be a positive asset - full of energy. As a keeper it leads to irrational decision making or poor reactions. He should have been a picture of calm, as he is for City in big games.
To be fair to him, whilst he should have saved the second goal, what the fuck was going on in front of him. We watched Iceland pass around us and could barely move to make a tackle - the shot was poor but he should have scored from there in any case.
To be fair to him, whilst he should have saved the second goal, what the fuck was going on in front of him. We watched Iceland pass around us and could barely move to make a tackle - the shot was poor but he should have scored from there in any case.
lazza
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Far too easily beaten on his left hand side. Has to improve as it's cost us on many an occasion.
"Us" as in City? Hart has cost us on many an occasion? OK, name me 5 occasions when Hart himself has cost us a game. I suspect it's easier to name 5 occasions when he has won us a game, or maybe even 25 occasions when he has.
01cravend
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"Us" as in City? Hart has cost us on many an occasion? OK, name me 5 occasions when Hart himself has cost us a game. I suspect it's easier to name 5 occasions when he has won us a game, or maybe even 25 occasions when he has.
His mix up with Nastasic
His mix up with Kolo Toure
His pass to Fernando
Him vs Bayern(3-1 loss)
Spilled a soft cross straight to Andy King to tap in
Adam Johnson vs us
Ball trickled through his legs vs Southampton for a tap in
Has dropped many a cross that have led to goals hence why he punches all the time now
Multiple mistakes for England
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His mix up with Nastasic
His mix up with Kolo Toure
His pass to Fernando
Him vs Bayern(3-1 loss)
Spilled a soft cross straight to Andy King to tap in
Adam Johnson vs us
Ball trickled through his legs vs Southampton for a tap in
Has dropped many a cross that have led to goals hence why he punches all the time now
Multiple mistakes for England
I can demonstrate Neuer and De Gea making errors that have cost their team too. Unfortunately when a goalkeeper makes an error there is a good chance it leads to a goal.
He has bailed us out time and time again and wouldn't swap him for anyone else. He is world class and loves this club. We are lucky to have him.
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I think you will find he has won us more points than he has cost us. Plenty of keepers make mistakes and he is young for a keeper. I notice De Gea has cost Spain two goals but nobody is ranting and raving about him.His mix up with Nastasic
His mix up with Kolo Toure
His pass to Fernando
Him vs Bayern(3-1 loss)
Spilled a soft cross straight to Andy King to tap in
Adam Johnson vs us
Ball trickled through his legs vs Southampton for a tap in
Has dropped many a cross that have led to goals hence why he punches all the time now
Multiple mistakes for England
In regards his distribution, why is it that his distribution for the Euros stands at 76% ( up there with the best ) yet his distribution for City last season in the Prem was at 52%?
Less games in the euros. Less touches also but when really asked he failed.
If we has got through the % would soon drop
Either his footwork has come on leaps and bounds in a month or there's another reason for it.
Riddle me that.
I think you will find he has won us more points than he has cost us. Plenty of keepers make mistakes and he is young for a keeper. I notice De Gea has cost Spain two goals but nobody is ranting and raving about him.
I not arsed about De gea as he does not play for us.
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