Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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didactic said:
De Gea is a far superior keeper and much more intelligent in his all round play than Joe Hart. I do not care about how nice he is or if he is a City lgend or not that should not stop us from telling the truth. He is too error prone and has cost us massive amounts of points. He was exposed at the Euros he is just one of the best England has he is not even in the top 10 great keepers. Valdes is better than him and I been backing Hart from the start.
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What are these massive amount of points you talk about ? Seriously I'm struggling to think and I'm not trying to argue
What I do know is many times we would have gone out of a lot of cup comps earlier and 2nd legs would be over if it wasn't for Hart
De-Gea is a wonderful keeper there is no doubt but he was at fault for liverpools goal in Europa league, West Ham equaliser in FA cup and stayed rooted to his line late last season for Leicester equaliser which cost them 4th. He also spilled a fairly tame free kick for Spain v Italy and I know he also made great saves that day but I've seen more than enough of Joe to know he is capable of those same saves.
Not 1 player for England produced their club form in the Euros, if it's the pressure and fear of making a mistake like Gerrard said yesterday I don't know but why should Hart be the one who really gets taken to task about it ?
Speak to a lot of Blues 50 and over and they will put Hart as top 2 or 3 keepers we've had, when I start wanting us to replace someone in that bracket I'll take a good look at myself
 
Joe Hart is still a phenomenal keeper, just think how many times he's saved us from defeat or draws. Every keeper is error prone, no one goes on about De Gea or Neuers mistakes.
 
citymad said:
Joe Hart is still a phenomenal keeper, just think how many times he's saved us from defeat or draws. Every keeper is error prone, no one goes on about De Gea or Neuers mistakes.
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Quite. There are a lot more positions that need strengthening and whst with FFP and insane transfer prices (unless it is us selling to an Italian club) there are better things to spend rhirty or forty mill on.
 
bluemc1 said:
What are these massive amount of points you talk about ? Seriously I'm struggling to think and I'm not trying to argue
What I do know is many times we would have gone out of a lot of cup comps earlier and 2nd legs would be over if it wasn't for Hart
De-Gea is a wonderful keeper there is no doubt but he was at fault for liverpools goal in Europa league, West Ham equaliser in FA cup and stayed rooted to his line late last season for Leicester equaliser which cost them 4th. He also spilled a fairly tame free kick for Spain v Italy and I know he also made great saves that day but I've seen more than enough of Joe to know he is capable of those same saves.
Not 1 player for England produced their club form in the Euros, if it's the pressure and fear of making a mistake like Gerrard said yesterday I don't know but why should Hart be the one who really gets taken to task about it ?
Speak to a lot of Blues 50 and over and they will put Hart as top 2 or 3 keepers we've had, when I start wanting us to replace someone in that bracket I'll take a good look at myself
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Very good post.
 
citymad said:
Joe Hart is still a phenomenal keeper, just think how many times he's saved us from defeat or draws. Every keeper is error prone, no one goes on about De Gea or Neuers mistakes.
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Because as pointed out even really great keepers make mistakes Neuer is no different however he is much better than Hart in every aspect of the game so the errors are more easily forgiven / overlooked
 
Can't wait to see him start the new season. He's going to be determined to prove some of his critics wrong I suspect.
 
Proving some critics wrong will not be his job.

He has to work on several tasks to be the keeper in Pep's system:
calm and accurate ball control even under pressure,
no long kicks as that means loss of possession,
complete control of his 6-yrd box instead of sticking to his goal line,
stopping counter attacks as the last defending man.

His shot stopping is out of discussion except of his low left side.

Joe really has to work hard. Pep is not too patient and a maniac in terms of perfectionism.
Anyway I suppose Joe will improve a lot and that should make him stronger as England's keeper.
 
A couple of years ago I posted on here, questioning whether Hart still deserved to be the club's number one.

I was absolutely torn to shreds by the majority.

Now, with our new manager needing a keeper who can play out from the back, there are real concerns over Joe's place in our XI.

He hasn't helped matters with his poor performance at the Euros.

How do you all see Hart's future at the club? Safe or threatened?

I've written an article for City Watch with my thoughts - http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/07/05/should-manchester-city-fans-be-concerned-about-joe-hart/

Feedback / constructive criticism appreciated. Im sure many of you will disagree with my views so feel free to oppose.

Cheers
 
The euro's means nothing,he has proved himself with us for 10yrs,he is a smart kid and will learn from pep,every single one of them are under pressure to prove themselves
 
karen7 said:
The euro's means nothing,he has proved himself with us for 10yrs,he is a smart kid and will learn from pep,every single one of them are under pressure to prove themselves
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Fair enough, Karen.

Personally feel that his biggest worry is the distribution side of things.

Can't see Pep standing for a keeper that isn't a confident passer of the ball, as his system relies so heavily on playing out from the back.
 
Jordan CTID said:
Fair enough, Karen.

Personally feel that his biggest worry is the distribution side of things.

Can't see Pep standing for a keeper that isn't a confident passer of the ball, as his system relies so heavily on playing out from the back.
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Playing out from the back is more about the defence and midfield than the keeper, as We saw in todays training video, he was drilling the team on being ready and in the right position quickly to receive the ball. When the defence know what they are doing Hart will be fine.
 
blueparrot said:
Playing out from the back is more about the defence and midfield than the keeper, as We saw in todays traing video, he was drilling the team on being ready and in the right position quickly to receive the ball. When the defence know what they are doing Hart will be fine.
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Yeah i get what you're saying, but it certainly helps to have a keeper who is comfortable playing in that system. In the past Hart hasn't filled me with confidence as a 'sweeper keeper'.

I really hope to be proved wrong as I love Hart as a person/club ambassador.
 
He should be under pressure - as should every single player at the club. Work hard, play well or your place is under serious threat.
 
Jordan CTID said:
Yeah i get what you're saying, but it certainly helps to have a keeper who is comfortable playing in that system. In the past Hart hasn't filled me with confidence as a 'sweeper keeper'.

I really hope to be proved wrong as I love Hart as a person/club ambassador.
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I don't think he's ever played as a sweeper-keeper.
How much it can be done depends on how hard the opposition press. I have the impression that English teams do it a lot more than in Spain or Germany, barring the odd exception.
 
Will have to prove himself , same as all the others . Don't think his attitude could ever be questioned , not had many better in recent years .
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I don't think he's ever played as a sweeper-keeper.
How much it can be done depends on how hard the opposition press. I have the impression that English teams do it a lot more than in Spain or Germany, barring the odd exception.
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Yeah i meant in the sense of typical attributes of a sweeper keeper - coming off his line early, concentration, decision making, distribution etc
 
Jordan CTID said:
A couple of years ago I posted on here, questioning whether Hart still deserved to be the club's number one.

I was absolutely torn to shreds by the majority.

Now, with our new manager needing a keeper who can play out from the back, there are real concerns over Joe's place in our XI.

He hasn't helped matters with his poor performance at the Euros.

How do you all see Hart's future at the club? Safe or threatened?

I've written an article for City Watch with my thoughts - http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/07/05/should-manchester-city-fans-be-concerned-about-joe-hart/

Feedback / constructive criticism appreciated. Im sure many of you will disagree with my views so feel free to oppose.

Cheers
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No, I dont see real concerns with Joe, except in the City hating newspapers.

It has been discussed on here constatntly and the consensus seems to be "show me the keeper who has never made a mistake"

His performances for City have been brilliant and have saved us on quite a number of occasions, and tbh that is what a top class keeper is supposed to be.

Hi lives breaths eats City, he, thhat is irriplaaceable (Are we breading a team of mercs or team that love City)

Lastly, it seems to me, the press come out with bullshit about our players and people start beleiving it. Even City fans start questioning if we need to "get rid". I tell you, we treat loyal players like that and we are going in the wrong direction. Doesnt mean he cant be dropped for a few games, but to get rid is ridiculous way to be shooting ourselves in the foot .
 
St.Pauli support said:
Proving some critics wrong will not be his job.

He has to work on several tasks to be the keeper in Pep's system:
calm and accurate ball control even under pressure,
no long kicks as that means loss of possession,
complete control of his 6-yrd box instead of sticking to his goal line,
stopping counter attacks as the last defending man.

His shot stopping is out of discussion except of his low left side.

Joe really has to work hard. Pep is not too patient and a maniac in terms of perfectionism.
Anyway I suppose Joe will improve a lot and that should make him stronger as England's keeper.
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Most of those aspects can be improved by clear direction plus tailored training. If Pep is as good as we think on attention to detail, he will have this covered.

Despite the Euros, I'm more than happy to stick with Joe and would certainly prioritise on other areas of the team.

On a different note, I enjoyed watching Buffon still turning in the performances and playing with a smile on his face. Top man.
 
Jordan CTID said:
Yeah i get what you're saying, but it certainly helps to have a keeper who is comfortable playing in that system. In the past Hart hasn't filled me with confidence as a 'sweeper keeper'.

I really hope to be proved wrong as I love Hart as a person/club ambassador.
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Hi Jordan,

A good thought provoking article.

Just have to ask have you looked at his passing stats? There's a massive difference between his performance at club and international level. It begs the question why?
 
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